Sometimes my wording stinks..sorry

[jo_meyer]

I re read my letter and saw that the possibility of misinterpretation
   of what i said. when I get an error with msn or explorer it gives me
   the message or the 'sermon' or the 'error kind of response'.. I call
   them "Sorry'" messages. They are error messages. That is exactly
   what I meant by 'getting the sermon'. I t says I that I should use "
   a wild card " and try researching just the year.

   I am reviewing your kind suggestions. I am not going to reply to each
   one. I will use them.

   Today while renewing my ancestry i asked if they had the secret. The
   man did not know that there was another way into this Hamburg
   passenger ship list through the advertisement above on the page.
   Several pages into it after one had clicked the immigration button,
   one could click on that advertisement and access the list from
   Hamburg. Does anyone know what i am taliking about. He said he only
   used the 'search' method or button. A wise choice.

   . It was free sometime around thanksgiving and christmas.

   Now with that list, i was able to find out Ritterling, who were
   suppose to be from Carwitz Mecklenburg, were from Eichdorf for a
   time. The time they emmigrated I already knew from research done in
   wyoming. That they had gone through Canada/Michigan port. this around
   1892, I think it was. I suppose that they had gone to new york and
   because of much quarantine due to diseases and such, that they decided
   to go this other route. I was able to find a few others also within
   the 1890's and 1900's. It is wonderful to use.

   I only mentioned my frustration with it in a cranky old lady style
   because I was hopeing someone would say.....I KNOW THE SECRET ENTRANCE
   AND THIS IS HOW Or just say along with me. Yeah we know. But I am not
   sure yet, if anyone has had luck with it. Private email me if you
   like. I just would like to see that someone has actually gotten to
   the back dates with this special ship list from Hamburg. I am sure by
   now it is from my lack of knowledge about something that holds me
   back. No one else saw it as a problem???

   Ashamed I am to say that again today I asked about this secret key
   into the immigration older years. The man at ancestory.com ,who I
   renewed my subscription from, told me some thing about the learning
   button up at the top. He said the wild card deffinition is told in
   there, which is very similar to someones posting, but a bit
   different. He said it is using three letters and the asterick sign
   afterwards. I would have not done that. Fearing the 'sermon' or the
   repeat message about 'the wild card needed' in order to access
   earlier years of ships leaving hamburg. i am going to try that. and i
   am going to go into the learning link. Sometimes the simpliest thing
   can at times seem so hard.

   So thanks for helpful tips. and I hope no one was offended by my
   colorful phrases that amuse me.

   I love this list. And I know you all have good suggestions. Even if
   it is merely said. 'weve answered that one tons of times try the
   archives a few months back. etc.' that is still a tip and helpful.

   For now I am going to just drop the subject. i'll figure it out. I
   must be part of the ride.

   Have a good evening

   jo

[J_B]

Jo it goes without saying that the number one hindrance to making effective progress as it relates to non-intuitive tasks is the preliminary work required up front to master them, the very thing that is often dismissed as trivial - or disregarded in the rush to succeed as quickly as possible. Simple but classic example: 90% of computer errors are - believe it or not - USER errors. Now I say this knowing perfectly well that Windows is a far from perfect multi-task platform manager. But still, you can hardly blame it with all it has to do, and the often inane inputs it receives at the hands of its impatient operators! The thought of all those eager beaver Joes and Jills tripping and fumbling all over their keyboards with mugs of coffee in hand must warm the core of Windows good.

If more folks would take the time to read the manual, follow the instructions listed on the box, or perform their maintenance chores according to the product guides supplied, the majority of "problems" and "issues" that always arise would be overcome before they had a chance to rear their heads. The same applies to online activities. Many things on the Internet are not "intuitive"; in fact much of the computing experience is not straight forward. But that said, most "support" or "help" sections of websites spell out the necessary ABC's to succeed. These are the online equivalents to the physical manuals and guides mentioned earlier. It is an unfortunate but natural tendency in just about everyone to want to cut to the chase on things, to dive in and learn as quickly as possible in the name of expedition and fast-fast-fast results. But these various blind-at-full-speed approaches rarely progress well, in fact, more often they come back to nip us - and good.

Follow what that little voice inside is now hinting at. Devote at least an hour or two to the HELP section of that site, THEN attempt to reel in a few noteworthy catches. Personally I would open a second browser window - targeted on the same site - so you can apply what you are learning with a true "hands on" approach (= as you read through the help guides in browser window 1, apply experiments to browser window 2 as you progress). An hour or two at the help desk in that manner should pay dividends thereafter. As it is, almost all time-saving expedients are learned one of two ways - either the hard boiled way, by hit and miss experimentation, or by the sheer accumulation of hours in bump-n-grind hammering - or by reading the instructional data sheets (guides, manuals, FAQs) beforehand. Though both can succeed over the long run, the latter approach is a lot more painless and provides far quicker (and generally more comprehensive) results. But it does require one up front "deposit" -- you.

I strongly suggest you consider that approach. If the website's help section is insufficient to the task, or if it seems to be laid out in an unclear manner, let us know. I'm sure you have already received a few tips from members trying to be helpful, but trust me your experience is by no means unique here. Simply take to heart that one guiding principle that rarely backfires: the Lord helps those who help themselves! As I see it, you have all the drive you need to see this kind of task through; you simply have to channel your energies towards where they will pay the best dividends. That can be done by setting a simple but laudable goal, a la: "By the end of this day, I WILL know my way around the Ancestry Immigration database." Then do it! If you think about it and are actually serious, you'll soon see there is only one way to accomplish this - by applying yourself to the task. Of equal importance will be the tools you choose to utilize, ones you will find within reach there.

Good luck. Remember drop the hammer; burrowing often works better.

Jb

PS. Speaking of 'sometimes my wording stinks', who recently began one of their posts with: "Peter I didn't forgot you." Uh yeah, meez can relate.

[Barb_NoJunk]

Dear Jo,

Were you looking for this?

http://landing.ancestry.com/immigration/main/Default.aspx?o_iid=27150&o_lid=27150&o_it=2

It's no longer a free immigration search offer but the link works ... and the other day I noticed that a few databases are viewable.. not actual ship lists..but compiled data on Prussia/Brandenburg and I believe Wuettenburg data..

Excuse spelling pleas

Barbie-Lew

I

    I re read my letter and saw that the possibility of misinterpretation
    of what i said. when I get an error with msn or explorer it gives me
    the message or the 'sermon' or the 'error kind of response'.. I call
    them "Sorry'" messages. They are error messages. That is exactly
    what I meant by 'getting the sermon'. I t says I that I should use "
    a wild card " and try researching just the year.

    I am reviewing your kind suggestions. I am not going to reply to each
    one. I will use them.

    Today while renewing my ancestry i asked if they had the secret. The
    man did not know that there was another way into this Hamburg
    passenger ship list through the advertisement above on the page.
    Several pages into it after one had clicked the immigration button,
    one could click on that advertisement and access the list from
    Hamburg. Does anyone know what i am taliking about. He said he only
    used the 'search' method or button. A wise choice.

    . It was free sometime around thanksgiving and christmas.

    Now with that list, i was able to find out Ritterling, who were
    suppose to be from Carwitz Mecklenburg, were from Eichdorf for a
    time. The time they emmigrated I already knew from research done in
    wyoming. That they had gone through Canada/Michigan port. this around
    1892, I think it was. I suppose that they had gone to new york and
    because of much quarantine due to diseases and such, that they decided
    to go this other route. I was able to find a few others also within
    the 1890's and 1900's. It is wonderful to use.

    I only mentioned my frustration with it in a cranky old lady style
    because I was hopeing someone would say.....I KNOW THE SECRET ENTRANCE
    AND THIS IS HOW Or just say along with me. Yeah we know. But I am not
    sure yet, if anyone has had luck with it. Private email me if you
    like. I just would like to see that someone has actually gotten to
    the back dates with this special ship list from Hamburg. I am sure by
    now it is from my lack of knowledge about something that holds me
    back. No one else saw it as a problem???

    Ashamed I am to say that again today I asked about this secret key
    into the immigration older years. The man at ancestory.com ,who I
    renewed my subscription from, told me some thing about the learning
    button up at the top. He said the wild card deffinition is told in
    there, which is very similar to someones posting, but a bit
    different. He said it is using three letters and the asterick sign
    afterwards. I would have not done that. Fearing the 'sermon' or the
    repeat message about 'the wild card needed' in order to access
    earlier years of ships leaving hamburg. i am going to try that. and i
    am going to go into the learning link. Sometimes the simpliest thing
    can at times seem so hard.

    So thanks for helpful tips. and I hope no one was offended by my
    colorful phrases that amuse me.

    I love this list. And I know you all have good suggestions. Even if
    it is merely said. 'weve answered that one tons of times try the
    archives a few months back. etc.' that is still a tip and helpful.

    For now I am going to just drop the subject. i'll figure it out. I
    must be part of the ride.

    Have a good evening

    jo