Sievers

hannover-l
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In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request@genealogy.net:

Wow! Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to
American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says:
SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October 1856.
Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New Orleans.

Hi Sandy

I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that
you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census.

I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the
shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old,
ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the
arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832.

And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as
Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok.

And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry
Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next
page they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would
be still ok.

But now the break in that story

In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in Ruma,
Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the
same that lived before in St. Louis???

IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named Henry
but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry Sievers
was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the 1880
census he should be now about 12 years old???

Hope you have still some infos about that

Armin

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Living in St. Louis and being born in Illinois is not all that far fetched. It happened in my family. They apparently moved for around three years to somewhere in Illinois in between census records. So, it could happen.

ssage dated 01/07/08 08:17:33 Central Standard Time, AJHattorf writes:

In einer eMail vom 07.01.2008 05:34:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request@genealogy.net:

Wow! Yes, something is wrong. because I have I copy from, Germans to
American, in the book that has info for 1856 (on page 281) it says:
SHIP: Stella, FROM: Bremen, TO: New Orleans, ARRIVED: 28 October 1856.
Also, I printed another copy off of Ancestry that says New Orleans.

Hi Sandy

I have been looking a little bit around at ancestry.com. You told us that
you have Henry Sievers in the 1870, 1880 census.

I think there is something wrong in paradise. I have been looking for the
shiplist 1856. There is indead a men named Heinrich Sievers he is 21 years old,
ok but you told us he is born 1832 !!!!! So when you compare the year of the
arrival with 21 years he should be born around 1835 not 1832.

And another strange thing. He is in the 1860 census living in St. Louis as
Henry Sievers 28 years old so born around 1932, what would be ok.

And then he is again in the 1870 Census living still in St. Louis as Henry
Sievers 38 years old having a wife named Sarah 24 years old and on the next
page they have a little boy named John 2 years old born in Missouri what would
be still ok.

But now the break in that story

In the 1880 census we have Henry Sievers 44 !!!!!! years old living in Ruma,
Randolp, Illinois ... so are you sure that THIS Henry sievers is still the
same that lived before in St. Louis???

IF the census is correct he is widower and has a 14 year old boy named Henry
but Henry is born 14 years ago in ILLINOIS!!! But 14 years ago Henry Sievers
was still living in St. Louis and were is his little son John in the 1880
census he should be now about 12 years old???

Hope you have still some infos about that

Armin

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The St. Louis to Illinois connection isn't hard to fathom, Ruma is not far from St. Louis, I grew up in Randolph County. However, there is more to that 1880 Census than is mentioned below. There are other children in the household who do not appear in the 1870 Census in St. Louis.

1870 Federal Census: St. Louis, MO
Sievers, Henry, age 38, born in Hannover, Works in Brickyard
Sievers, Sarah, age 24, born in Hannover
Sievers, John, age 2, born in MO

1880 Federal Census: Ruma, Randolph County, IL
Sievers, Henry, age 44, born Germany, Farmer, widower
Sievers, Mina, age 18, born in IL
Sievers, Henry, age 14, born in IL
Sievers, Eliza, age 10, born in IL
Sievers, Martha, age 7, born in IL
Sievers, Julius, age 4, born in IL
Koenig, Phillip, age 23, born MO, Wagon Maker
Holgnagel, William, age 32, born Germany, Blacksmith
Unfortunately I can't get this page of the 1880 census to come up on Ancestry, the above is from the index for the household.

Now if you look at Red Bud in 1870 you find the following which is a better match imho.

1870 Federal Census: Red Bud, Randolph County, IL
Siebert, Henry, age 38, Blacksmith, born in Hannover
SIebert, Amalia, age 32, born in Hannover
Siebert, Minna, age 9, born in Illinois
Siebert, Henry, age 3, born in Illinois

If you look at the 1900 Census for the Henry Siever in Ruma you will see his occupation is Blacksmith. I think the Henry Siever of Ruma is the same as the Henry Siebert in Red Bud in 1870. Keep in mind the ages given in the census are very erratic, especially the older a person gets.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

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1860 Federal Census: Red Bud P.O. Randolph County, IL
Schrieber, Henry, age 28, born Germany, Blacksmith
Schrieber, Amalia, age 23, born Germany
Crose, Joseph, age 50, born France

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

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Good Morning Joel,

Thank you ! I guess I should have posted ALOT more of my information. As I stated earlier I have been doing this for awhile, but not with postings. Sorry for any problems I may have caused anyone. It has been on the internet with Ancestry, by phone and the good old way....writing letters. You hit the nail on the head! I will try to give you as much information that I have.

I started my search by looking at a 1900 Census report of Ruma, Randoph County, Il. It said he came to America in 1856. So, I went to the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, Texas and found Germans to America.I looked under 1856....and there he was! I then started pulling census, church records, death and wedding certificates. A very nice lady at the Randolph County Courthouse helped me greatly. I figured his dob, off of his death certificate. It said he died 04Mar1908 in Ruma,Il. Then I talked to some folks up there in Red Bud and Ruma who gave me more information. From what I know, Heinrich (he went by henry g. sievers) was born 10-25-1832 in Germany. Came to US in 10-28-1856 on the ship Stella (left out of Bremen) and landed in New Orleans,La. He married his first wife Amalia Losses( I have seen it spelled Loesche and she was bon 1837 in Germany and died 1880 according to a US Mortality Sch.) about 1860, Because their first child was born Wilhelmina Louisa Amalia Sievers in 1861. After that Amalia gave birth/death date 1863-1865 ( Alwine ), 1866 (Heinrich D.), 1869-1869 (Anna), 1870-1948 (Elise), 1873-1881 (Maria), 1876-1881 (Julius), 1880-1880 (Barbara). I have not been able to find out much about where they got married. although, I spoke with some elders of St.John's Church in Ruma/Evansville and bought their historical book that had been transferred from the German records. Amalie and Henrich had their children blessed there. That was their "family church" in the states. After Amalie died from "consumption" Heinrich remarried right away to a much younger lady.( I guess I would too, with all those children) His second wife was Wilhelmina (Minnie) Stamm. She was born 1854 and died 1933 in Red Bud,Il. They were married in St.Louis,Mo. because minnie had family there. they married 22Mar1881. They 8 children and one of them was my great grandfather, Charles Henry Sievers. he was born 1891-1962.
As for the census, I never coul find a 1860. I did find the 1870, which listed him as Siebers. He and his first wife were on that one. The 1880 list him as a widow because Amalia died before that census was taken. I don't have a 1890, I have been told that was burned in a fire??? Then, of course I do have a 1900. The 1900 list Heinrich(Henry G) and Minnie(or Minna) Something to note, the 1880 show a Minna ( I think, I dont have it right in front of me) but that was his child with first wife.
With all the information, shouldnt I be able to find where in Germany he came from? I even have the same amount on his brother Gottlieb Sievers who lived in House Springs, Mo. A local historian in High Ridge Library, MO. is stumped also. ANY advice on how to find where in Germany would be greatly appreciated.

Hope I did not take too much of your time.
Blessings
sandy sievers

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I have found the place of birth listed on naturalization records, such
as Peine, Hannover.

Janice Thiele Seiler

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Hi Sandy,

You mention they attended St. John's - Ruma, have you looked or had someone check the baptismal records of the children? Often they will list the birthplace of the parents. Their marriage record often gives this information also. Do the same for Gottlieb in Jefferson County. I've traced numerous ancestors to various places in what is now Germany. Almost every time I was able to find their birth place from church records, don't forget to check their death record at the church also. If those don't work then you might start researching others who came on the ship with him. Often many people from the same local area would come over together. I even found one ship with almost 100 people all from the same little village coming over on the same ship. The other Sievers on the Stella's passenger list do add to the confusion, it's surprising not to find any of them. Tekla/Terla and Catherine could easily be married by 1860, as could the elder Gesina if she remarried after arrival. That leave Margaretha and the younger Gesina who should be the easiest to track. Did you check St. John's - Ruma for the deaths of any of these people? Also, did you check Henry's probate record, perhaps he mentioned siblings, nephews, neices, etc. I had one of my families that appeared the entire family came over together, parents in their 50s and the kids in their teens and early twenties. I was at a loss until I read the will and found out the oldest daughter remained in Germany and where in Germany she was living was listed in the Will. There are lots of avenues for research yet.

Joel
http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/

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Awesome! How did you find that?

sandy sievers cooper

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I went to the courthouse in the town that my gggfather settled in and
they had the original record in the district records files and made a
copy for me for $1.00.

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Hi Joel,

Thanks again for your advice. I will print this out and pull the church record book I have to see what I can find. I did speak with a lady of the church who did some research on the Stamm/ Sievers Family. She stated she could not find where exactly the Sievers Family came from. But, I will give all the info a screening.

Again.....thanks so much for your help. I'll let you know what I find.

sandy sievers cooper

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Hi Janice,

I did notice on a census report that it said "Yes" to Naturalized. When I checked in Chester, Randolph County, Il. They said they had one, but not sure it would be my Heinrich Sievers. It stated the place was " Kingdom of Hannover". Any ideas? I even tried to get Emmigration papers Bremen, Germamny. I was told before they got on the ships they had to fill out papers. No luck, they were destroyed.

Blessings & Joy
sandy sievers cooper

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Hi Joel,

I have been through the St.John's History Book 2x. On their birth records it just states parents name, child's name and date of birth and place. I did place a call to Miss Hanebutt at the church to double check the information. As for Gottlieb Sievers.....I am fixing to post his information as well. In hopes it will add in my search for where they came from in Germany. If I have missed anything please let me know.

blessings
sandy sievers cooper

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Sandy,

Hopefully you'll have better luck with the actual church entry. Often the books are abstracts and don't contain all of the details in the original record. Be sure and check for all entries for him.

Joel

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We need to remember that a man named his first son for his father.
If he had four sons, they each named their first son for their father.
So four first cousins had the same name!

My ancestor came to the USA at 15 with a 30-year-old cousin
of the exact same name.

It is easy to mistake these cousins in the USA census and picking
one with an age that is "close" can mean picking a cousin!