Research in Hannover and the 1852 census

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I have done extensive research on branches of my family tree in other parts
of Germany. All of the research was done using the films from the LDS
library. I have also been to Germany twice to visit the areas of those
ancestors.

I am now planning another trip to germany this summer to meet our German
Oberbeck Cousin and would like to try to research my Kampermann family in
Hanover. The following is what I have.

1. Family information - Eilt Johann Campermann or Kampermann was born on
August 25, 1840 in Hanover. His parents were Eilt and Anna Campermann both
born in Germany.

2. Death certificate - born August 25, 1844, which is confirmed by the US
census.

3.Naturalization - John Campermann was 27 years old born in the Kingdom of
Hanover, emigrated from Bremen in 1869 arrived in New York on 13 March. The
naturalization is dated 8th Oct, 1870 which makes his birthdate 1843.

4. Germans To America Entry - Ship Hermann From Bremen to New York Arrived
15th March, 1869. He was listed as Juergen Campermann 25, Farmer with a code
of 0L000 and the destination of USA. The list of Village Codes identified
0L000 as Liebenau.

5. Shipping Record from New York - Ship Hermann arrived 15 March, 1869 from
Bremen. Juergen Campermann, 25, farmer, from Oldenburg.

6. I also asked for a check of the Germans to America CD's. There were only
7 other Kampermann listed, 1 was a single man from Hannover going to New
Orleans in 1855 and 6 were a family from Wellinghausen in Hanover. They
emigrated in 1866 and went to St. Louis. I have not been able to find
Wellinghausen in Hanover.
***Does anybody know where Wellinghausen might be? If there is a
Wellinghausen near Liebenau it might help me confirm the location of the
family name. It is not a common name in Germany. It might be Dutch.

7. John Kamperman lived in LaFayette, Indiana. He worked for the railroad
and owned his own coal company until his death on 26 Feb, 1904. I have not
found an obituary. His wife Anna Busch lived another 50 years and died on 8
Oct, 1954, she was 101. She left her family history, but no furthur info
about John has been found.

***How accurate is the information in the record #4 from Germans to America?
Is the identification of the village as Liebenau accurate? I tend to believe
that information more then the shipping record when he arrived in New York
that indicates he was from Oldenburg. Should I not believe either record?

If he was actually from Liebenau, I located 2 possible villages in Hannover.
    One Liebenau is northwest of Hannover near Nienburg. I believe there is
a Lutheran Church.
    There is also a Liebenau west of Hofgeismar, north of Kassel. I am not
sure of the parish.
*** Can anybody find Wellinghausen close to either of these villages of
Liebenau?

***With the information I have, will it be possible to check the parish
records when I am in Hannover? My husband speaks German and I have done lots
of German research. I believe I would need an appointment?
***Would the 1852 census help me locate the Kampermann family?

Thank you very much for any help and suggestions!

Peg Oberbeck
Wisconsin

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There is a Woltringhausen very near Liebenau (the one near Nienberg) but I
see no Wellinghausen in Hannover. Sometimes the passenger lists give the Amt
where the person lived which is not necessarily the village where they
lived.

I think you would be better off checking the church records for Liebenau
while you are in Germany. The LDS does not have the records from Liebenau
but the Ev. Luth. archives in Hannover will have them on microfiche. You
will need an appointment for the archives.

Paul Scheele

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Hallo Peg,

I will try to give you some help and information:

1. Family information - Eilt Johann Campermann or Kampermann was born on
August 25, 1840 in Hanover. His parents were Eilt and Anna Campermann both
born in Germany.

The Boyname "Eilt" or "Eilert" is common around Oldenburg, but not in the south of Lower-Saxony or in Hessen.
Also the familyname "Kempermann" (which sounds quite the same as Kampermann in English) is common in Oldenburg.

4. Germans To America Entry - Ship Hermann From Bremen to New York Arrived
15th March, 1869. He was listed as Juergen Campermann 25, Farmer with a code
of 0L000 and the destination of USA. The list of Village Codes identified
0L000 as Liebenau.

5. Shipping Record from New York - Ship Hermann arrived 15 March, 1869 from
Bremen. Juergen Campermann, 25, farmer, from Oldenburg.

So I think the information "from Oldenburg" seems to be right.

6. I also asked for a check of the Germans to America CD's. There were only
7 other Kampermann listed, 1 was a single man from Hannover going to New
Orleans in 1855 and 6 were a family from Wellinghausen in Hanover. They
emigrated in 1866 and went to St. Louis. I have not been able to find
Wellinghausen in Hanover.

Perhaps the village of "Welliehausen" is meant; today it is part of Hameln and that`s in Hannover.
(31787 Welliehausen)

***Does anybody know where Wellinghausen might be? If there is a
Wellinghausen near Liebenau it might help me confirm the location of the
family name. It is not a common name in Germany. It might be Dutch.

There is a village named "Wellie" ; it belongs to 31595 Steyerberg near Liebenau (Nienburg).
(But perhaps the information about Liebenau is wrong, see above)

***With the information I have, will it be possible to check the parish
records when I am in Hannover? My husband speaks German and I have done lots
of German research. I believe I would need an appointment.

Sure you need this; in summer lots of people are in vacation, also the Pfarrer. The Kirchenbuchamt in Hannover, where lots
of records are, has only a few places to read the microfiche-films. Look at www.kirche-hannover.de/kirchenbuchamt.

If you decide to search for Kempermanns around Oldenburg I can give you further information if you want.

Kind Regards

Susanne (from Oldenburg)

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Hello Peg,

      I'm not so sure that you should presume that the Juergen Campermann
you found on a ship list is your Eilt Johann. Juergen is usually George in
English, I think. If you look at the German phone book for Kampermann, you
will find that there are today 145 listings in various parts of Germany.
Unless you have other proof that your Johann is also called Juergen, I would
be wary of that connection. It is true that many of our German ancestors
had several names preceding the surname. But I wouldn't follow the Juergen
lead unless I knew that was the right guy.

      If Johann came from Oldenburg (as Susanne suggested), I think it would
say that on the census or other papers. Why are there no listings for him
or his wife in the1880 census on the LDS site? You do have the
naturalization papers that say Hannover.

     I sound like the devil's advocate here! I'll keep hunting...

Barbara

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Hi Susanne,

Thanks for the great info, especially regarding the name Eilt. I have looked
at hundreds of German records and never saw that name. The family originally
thought his name was John Eilt Kampermann, but in the birth records for his
first child he was identified as Eilt Johann Kampermann. The 1880 US Census
for both John and his brother Edward indicates that both their parents were
born in Hanover. His name on the 1880 US Census index was mispelled as
Cemperman, so your reference to the spelling of Kempermann is interesting.
Our Indiana Kampermann family retained that spelling in family info but was
later changed to Camperman.

The town of Wellie does offer a possibility. It is the first town south of
Liebenau near Nienburg. I have found other branches of my family by locating
2 towns that were close and had ties to the family.

It looks like I should make an appointment and check the records for
Liebenau(Nienburg) when I am in Germany. I am still trying to find records
for Edward Camperman, John's brother. He was older and died 1st. If I am
lucky, his brother John provided all the right information for his death
certificate!

Do you think I would find anything in the 1852 census? Does it cover the
area around Liebenau?

Thanks very much,
Peg Oberbeck
Wisconsin

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Hi Barbara,

I also play the devil's advocate when I do research!! :slight_smile: When I found the
listing for Juergen Camperman in Germans to America, I was able to look
through the film of the shipping records for the entire month of Feb and
March. John did identify his date of arrival on his naturalization as March
13, 1869. I checked that date in the shipping records and scanned the entire
month to be sure that there were no other entries that were even close to
Johann Campermann. I tend to believe that I have the right entry and his
name is either wrong, or one of the other names that he never used in the
US.

I found him on the 1880 census long before it was indexed by the LDS church.
It was indexed as Cemperman. I finally found it on the index by entering the
name of his neighbor. On the 1880 census it indicates that John, his brother
Edward and their parents were born in Hanover. They also all spoke English.

I wish I could find him on the 1870 census. However, he did not have
children so he is not listed in the index. Maybe I will try again to check
the entire Tippecanoe Co census!

I have not been able to find Edward Camperman on the shipping records. He
was born in about 1834, widowed, with no family, living with his brother on
the 1880 census. He died in 1898. I am still trying to find his death
certificate, which hopefully will give me everything I need!!

Thanks for the info !

Peg

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The town of Wellie does offer a possibility. It is the first town south of
Liebenau near Nienburg. I have found other branches of my family by
locating
2 towns that were close and had ties to the family.

Here an address:

Kampmann, Manfred u. Karin
  Adlerstr. 18
  31618 Liebenau