Re: Frederick A

[ajhattorf]

In einer eMail vom 11.02.2006 07:20:31 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request@genealogy.net:

That is something we can rarely say with accuracy or assurance in a country
the size and makeup of the USA, regardless of surname.

Hi John

Yes but all 3 Hattorffamilys in the USA are related and didn't know that or
feel only distant related, cause those in the North do not want to be related
to those in the South:-)))))))))

And i had some luck with the family tree of the old Hattorfs. In 1960 you
find in the Heimatblätter für den süd-westlichen Harzrand (little booklets) the
chronic of the Hattorf family in Osterode. Later revised in 1980 cause in
1960 they have forgotten in the head of the tree a brother! what is horrible for
a tree.

This time the tree was beginning with Valentin Hattorf and his son Heinrich,
later they found out that Heinrich living in Osterode had a brother living
in Duderstadt in the neighborhood, and the family has always moving around
from Duderstadt to Osterode and backwards so they felt like one family even
living in different towns.

So we had the name Valentin Hattorf born 1511, but later i had some more
luck.

There was a genealogist in the USA C. Frederick Kaufholz living in CT his
family is from Duderstadt and he is related "around 3 corners like we say" with
Hattorf. And he published the family tree of Wernher von Braun your
"rocketspezialist" and in position 2500 and somewhat you find in 1420 Hildebrand
Hattorf (Hattorp) and his son Heine and his son Hans and his son Valentin, so
thank you Mr. von Braun that you had the money to do such intensive
researches......

And C. Frederick was in the LDS church so you find many entries today "sent
from an LDS member after 1991".

But they didnt know anything about the Bremen part of the 18th century. Even
my father never found out that there was a Hattorf family in the States.

I was beginning 3 years ago and i found in the net the name Hermann Hattorff
in Bremen and i was beginning researches .... and then i found the family of
my cousin in NY. It took me two years to find his GGGfather here in Germany,
it was very very difficult.

My cousins in America got a complete family tree in only 2 years with all
names from F.A. to the living persons the same procedure in NY. from Johann
Hermann to the today living people.

Ok back to Frederick A. or Friedrich August. I am absolutely sure he is a
"real" Hattorf. I was searching for Hattorf in all variations at ancestry.com.
The hardest misspeling was Thomas E. Fattore instead of Thomas E. Hattorf.
Finding this i tried one more possible misspelling:

Hattore instead of Hattorf and indead i found something:

Searching Hattore at ancestry.com you will find in the New York Petitions
for Naturalisation

Frederick A Vn hattore the date is Oct 1849. looking the original you see
bright and clear

Von Hattorf Frederick A.

The hell knows why he is using "von" Hattorf. I dont believe he is from the
noble line, but it shows me that he is realy from that old Hattorf family so i
have no longer doubts in his identity and there was only one Hattorf living
there in that time in the 1850 census you will find him with his family in
NY.

And you are right the distant cousins are sometimes the better ones. I have
one his ggmother was a Hattorff and if HE was living near NY (he is living
near Chicago) i would have the results for Frederick A. tonight!!!!!!!

And the reason why i was NOT beginning with the children of Frederick A. I
didnt know anything about the family in the USA. I had only a name Frederick
A. Hattorf without any connection to the other Hattorf names i found at
ancestry. It was me who put the puzzle together ....... Hope tho find his
Grandfather so i can connect him to the family tree....

My best Armin

[J_B]

Armin Hattorf wrote:

Yes but all 3 Hattorf familys in the USA are related and didn't know that or feel only distant related, cause those in the North do not want to be related to those in the South:-)))))))))

Yes, yes .. old wounds die hard. lol I have family lines on both sides of the great American Civil War, including a slave owning family from Tennessee and another pro-Union branch from Illinois. So it's quite easy for me to sit on the fence from a safe distance and be neutrally amused (just don't mention Sherman to one side, or Booth to the other).

And i had some luck with the family tree of the old Hattorfs. In 1960 you find in the Heimatbl�tter f�r den s�d-westlichen Harzrand (little booklets) the chronic of the Hattorf family in Osterode. Later revised in 1980 cause in 1960 they have forgotten in the head of the tree a brother! what is horrible for a tree.

Oh we would never make such omissions as Yanks. Never. LOL

So we had the name Valentin Hattorf born 1511, but later i had some more luck.

Fantastic. If you could trace your lines back that far in America, it's a shoo-in you would have Indian blood (or else connections to the wonderful name Columbo).

There was a genealogist in the USA C. Frederick Kaufholz living in CT his family is from Duderstadt and he is related "around 3 corners like we say" with Hattorf. And he published the family tree of Wernher von Braun your "rocketspezialist" and in position 2500 and somewhat you find in 1420 Hildebrand Hattorf (Hattorp) and his son Heine and his son Hans and his son Valentin, so thank you Mr. von Braun that you had the money to do such intensive researches......

That we should all be so lucky indeed. How interesting this turn of events, and the sideways connection to one of the fathers of rocket science (not forgetting Oberth, Tsiolkovsky, and Goddard of course).

But they didnt know anything about the Bremen part of the 18th century. Even my father never found out that there was a Hattorf family in the States. I was beginning 3 years ago and i found in the net the name Hermann Hattorff in Bremen and i was beginning researches .... and then i found the family of my cousin in NY. It took me two years to find his GGGfather here in Germany, it was very very difficult.

Very very difficult you say ... where have I heard such sentiments before? Heartening to know it is not just we, as emigrant children, who face such struggles in stitching together the pieces of our past. Though clearly a universal phenomenon, it is a treasure hunt only the modern age has made freely available to pursue (our forbears had far headier things on their minds, beginning with survival).

My cousins in America got a complete family tree in only 2 years with all names from F.A. to the living persons the same procedure in NY. from Johann Hermann to the today living people.

They are the very lucky and blessed recipients of such a windfall then. If there are Schmidts or Schulzes to be found in the mix, send me my copy! lol

Ok back to Frederick A. or Friedrich August. The hardest misspeling was Thomas E. Fattore instead of Thomas E. Hattorf.

Yes, and not uncommon when it comes to indexing productions. Hard as the transcribers try, there will always be a percentage of errors interpreting the handwritten originals (beyond misspellings IN the originals). Add on top of that the transcription-to-database transfers, and you have double the trouble. And thus the a Hattorf can become a Fattore. In the days of the earlier accelerated indexes, I recall always hammering hard to overcome these limitations. A Suttenfield might be found under Luttenfield or Tuttenfield (forget the simple vowel anomalies we all know and love), and on and on it went. You learned to become quite imaginative when exploring those older style index productions, or there was going to be far less "pay dirt" at the end of the day. This many years hence, many of these same stumbling blocks still apply with the latest projects. It behooves one and all to TRY ALL REASONABLE NAME VARIABLES when searching ANY index. Many of those "missing" folks that can't be found are in reality "miscategorized" (though others will remain truly non-existent).

The hell knows why he is using "von" Hattorf. I dont believe he is from the noble line, but it shows me that he is realy from that old Hattorf family so i have no longer doubts in his identity and there was only one Hattorf living there in that time in the 1850 census you will find him with his family in NY.

Most interesting. Adds a little spice to the mix if nothing else. I have a von Haake line out of Hamelm / Hannover that often makes me wonder (or whistle). Only ours is supposed to be connected to a Baron [!] (though in fairness, we do have a few old German letters which suggest there could be something to it). Go figure. [=> read it and weep Rena :-)]

And you are right the distant cousins are sometimes the better ones. I have one his ggmother was a Hattorff and if HE was living near NY (he is living near Chicago) i would have the results for Frederick A. tonight!!!!!!!

How true, everywhere! It's a universal conundrum!

And the reason why i was NOT beginning with the children of Frederick A. I didnt know anything about the family in the USA. I had only a name Frederick A. Hattorf without any connection to the other Hattorf names i found at ancestry. It was me who put the puzzle together ....... Hope to find his Grandfather so i can connect him to the family tree....

Understood. You have done a remarkable job so far bringing together this wide range of bits and pieces, and just about everything you have relayed suggests you are on the right track. I think it is only a matter of time before you have #1 linked to #2 and #3. Your fluent command of English no doubt helps in this endeavor. Interesting that we think of the Germans and French (and perhaps English as a noteworthy third) as being the great record keepers of the world. You truly would have to add the Americans to that mix. Though the history of this country does not date back all that far by comparison to mother Europe, since its beginning, record officiating and preservation has been quite laudable. It allows anyone searching for American connections - from within or abroad - a wide range of possibilities and avenues to explore. Of course we are also the lucky beneficiaries of not having too many bombs dropped on our heads either (except mostly our own).

Nowadays you can add to that mix the evolution of the transistor and microchip, the foundation (and enablers) of the PCs and servers and Internet we all cherish. It's a marvel at how far we have come so quickly, and how much easier these pursuits are today as opposed to just 20 or 30 years ago. The fact that we are having this wonderful exchange is proof of that.

Much continued success my friend. Perhaps you will keep the list informed as to your progress or any new breakthroughs you effect. The success of others, born of hard work, reminds all who struggle that sunshine does indeed follow rain. But it is those little rainbows, in all their glory, that announce the news from the heavens.

Bests from sunny SoCal. Jb