[OL]Oldenburg - Hellmanns

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Dear Janet,

do you know the history book of New Vienna Iowa?
It listed also the Erdmann history of New Vienna.

There you can find also the history of Gerhard Henry Hellmann, born 1790 in Sevelten and the son Henry Hellmann born Sept. 24.1817 in Sevelten, Oldenburg, close to Cloppenburg in Oldenburger Münsterland. The emigrated 1834 to America first to Minster Ohio and 1843 to New Vienna and was also a founder of New Vienna.

You wrote, that your ancestors came from Lohne and must be an other Hellmann branch. I have only the church record of Lohne till 1811 at home, it listed this:

- Johann Bernd Helmann, born Sept.09.1785 in Oythe/Vechta, died Dec. 28.1854 in Lohne
  parents: Caspar Helmann and Gertrus Bahlmann
  married Nov.11.1818 in Lohne to Anna Cath. Gertrud Kröger (Kroeger)

The old book "Lohner-Familien" shows this:

Joh. Bernard Hellmann and Gertud Kroeger, Heuerleute (tenant farmers) by Zeller(big farmer) Luebbe-Bokern
children:
- *1820 Johann, oo 1852 to Marg. Auguste Brockhage (Salesman in Lohne)
- *1825 Klemens, oo 1852 to Juliane Brockhage (+1859), Salesman in Lohne
- *1828 Franz, oo 1859 to Bernardine Röchte(owner in Lehmden)
- *1835 Elisabeth, oo 1866 to widow Josef Bokern in Lehmden

I could be that this ancestors came from Oythe near Vechta, there was a Hellman farm:
- 1568 Gerd Hellemann, 1593 Hermann Hillemann, 1734 Heinrich Hellmann, 1767 Joh. Hinr. Hellemann, died 1815.
- After this the farm was rented out to Stüve. 1888 sells to Meyer.

The parents of Bernardine Röchte are Johann Heinrich Röchte (*1790) and Elisabeth Krümpelbeck, Zeller on Bokern

Werner Honkomp

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Hi Werner,

I think you have the correct Hellmann information. It matches (with a lot
more detail) what I saw on the Family Search website.

- Johann Bernd Helmann, born Sept.09.1785 in Oythe/Vechta, died Dec. 28.1854
in Lohne (Henry's grandfather)
  parents: Caspar Helmann and Gertrus Bahlmann (Henry's great-grandparents)
  married Nov.11.1818 in Lohne to Anna Cath. Gertrud Kr�ger (Kroeger)
(Henry's grandmother)

The old book "Lohner-Familien" shows this:

Joh. Bernard Hellmann and Gertud Kroeger, Heuerleute (tenant farmers) by
Zeller(big farmer) Luebbe-Bokern (Henry's grandparents)
children:
- *1820 Johann, oo 1852 to Marg. Auguste Brockhage (Salesman in Lohne)
- *1825 Klemens, oo 1852 to Juliane Brockhage (+1859), Salesman in Lohne
- *1828 Franz, oo 1859 to Bernardine R�chte(owner in Lehmden) (Henry's
parents)
- *1835 Elisabeth, oo 1866 to widow Josef Bokern in Lehmden

The parents of Bernardine R�chte (Henry's mother) are Johann Heinrich R�chte
(*1790) and Elisabeth Kr�mpelbeck, Zeller on Bokern (Henry's grandparents)

I don't know of any relation between my Henry Hellmann and the founders of
New Vienna. I know that my Tauke ancestors were among the founders of
Minster and New Vienna, but I'm probably unrelated to the other Hellmanns.
My great-grandfather, Henry Hellmann, did not move to America until 1880.
He settled first in Iowa, and later moved to Arkansas and Texas. His first
wife was my great-grandmother, Josephine Eike, and his second wife was my
great-aunt, Mary Elizabeth Erdmann. Henry's daughters from his first
marriage married his second wife's brothers. What a confusing family tree!
I guess that's what happens when the families travelled to Texas together.

No, I have not seen the New Vienna history book. Do you know where I could
order a copy? My Erdmann ancestors are Johann Wilhelm Luetke Erdmann-my
great-great grandfather (married Sep 20, 1842 to Maria Wilmer or Maria
Kuhlmann) and Johann Wilhelm Erdmann-my great-grandfather (born May 18,
1852). I believe they were married and baptized in Sankt Johannes
Katholisch, Boesensell, Westphalen, Preussen. The reason I don't trust the
Family Search records is because my great-great grandmother's name is listed
as either Wilmer or Kuhlmann. The family emigrated to New Vienna, Iowa, in
1854.

Thanks for your help. I'm glad to have some concrete information.

Janet