Thiele from Hannover Germany

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Hello, I am new to the list and am researching the following family:

Wilhelm Thiele (b Germany, d Germany) m Auguste (b Germany, d Germany)

Children (not in birth order):
1. William Thiele (b 28 Oct 1869 Germany) immigrated to USA between
1884 & 1890; married Augusta Elizabeth Luker in 1897 in Tennessee; died June
1936 in Arkansas USA
2. August Thiele (b Feb 1864 Hannover Germany) immigrated to USA abt
1891; living in Arkansas in 1930.
3. Henry Thiele, no additional information
4. Annie Thiele, no additional information
5. Male child, no additional information
6. Male child, no additional information
7. Female child, no additional information

Is anyone else on this list researching this family? Is Hannover a city or
a district made up of many smaller villages?

I appreciate any help you can give me.

Thank you,
Frances Faitt

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Hello,

Hannover is a city, but was a Prussian province with many towns and
villages, too. Until 1866 it was a separate kingdom, then occupied by the
Prussians.

Regards

Joachim Tautz

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Hello Frances,
     Have you used the LDS records? It looks as though there are a number
of persons there with the name of Thiele--use www.familysearch.org
Do remember that birth dates may vary from the original record--even
different from the tombstone sometimes!
Good luck!

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Barbara, Thanks for the suggestions. I do use Family Search, but I haven't
since I discovered August's daughter Minnie. I'll go back and try to find
her and her father. August's birthday comes from family records. I have
two dates on William. The day and month comes from my sister as told to her
by our grandmother. The month and the year are from the 1900 census. I
also have 1872 as a possible year, but it doesn't seem to fit the facts.
Thanks again, --Frances

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Dear Frances;

Greetings.
In response to your inquiry, I found many Wilhelm Thiele's-only one fit the age(b. 28 OCT 1869)

Please provide the birth dates of father and mother. There were lots of older Wm. Thieles.

From Germans to America, 1875-1888

Thiele, Wilhelm
    Age: 15
    Gender: Male
    Occupation Code: Farmer
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

Also note: Same ship/same arrival date/same Manifest ID-it probably means nothing if the above is not your relative!!!!!

Thiele, Adolf
    Age: 50
    Gender: Female
    Occupation Code: Farmer
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

Thiele, Wilhemine
    Age: 47
    Gender: Female
    Occupation Code: Unknown
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

Thiele, Heinrich
    Age: 24
    Gender: Male
    Occupation Code: Farmer
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

Thiele, Wilhemine
    Age: 15
    Gender: Female
    Occupation Code: Unknown
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

Thiele, Irma
    Age: 11
    Gender: Female
    Occupation Code: Child
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

Thiele, Carl
    Age: 10
    Gender: Male
    Occupation Code: Child
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

Thiele, August
    Age: 7
    Gender: Female
    Occupation Code: Child
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

Thiele, Adolf
    Age: 9
    Gender: Male
    Occupation Code: Child
    Country: Prussia
    Last Residence: Unknown
    Final Destination: Baltimore
    Port of Embarkation: Bremen
    Manifest ID Number: 16035
    Ship's Name: Braunschweig
Date of Arrival: Aug. 27, 1884

If you need more help with G to A, let me know.

Good Luck!

Laura DePaolis
Sugar Land, TX

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Hi Frances,
Don't want to discourage you, but THIELE is a pretty common name in Germany, and Hannover (the former kingdom) is a large area, with no centralized index of emigrants. I was a professional genealogist specializing in German-American families years ago, and I had a client in Baltimore who was a Thiele whose ancestors came from outside Berlin. I was able to do some tracing by using the LDS microfilms of church records (but that assumes you know the TOWN of origin). And by the way, I suspect only a small number of the total number of LDS films of churchbooks from overseas have been extracted into their familysearch database. . .
Good luck to you! Viel Gl�ck!

--Gary

Frances Faitt wrote:

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Hi Frances (again),

Good work Laura! I know the people who put that set of volumes together, and they were working from original ships manifests and microfilms of arrival lists for East Coast ports. Laura may have found your family there! (That's the good news.) The bad news is, that's all the lists for that time period say: "Prussia"--no town of origin! And "Prussia" after 1866, as Herr Tautz pointed out, included [the former kingdom of] Hannover.
By the way, "Minnie" was often a nickname for "Wilhelmine".
--Gary

Laura DePaolis wrote:

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Laura!

How intriguing! The 1900 census shows that William immigrated in 1884 and
that he had been in the US for 16 years. That corresponds with family
history that has him running away from home at age 15. The 1910 census says
that he immigrated in 1890 and disembarked in Pennsylvania. Further family
lore says that he stowed away, but was discovered at some point in the
voyage and forced to earn his passage by fighting. The captain of the ship
saying "You beat that Englishman, or I'll beat you! And so he did."

It would be interesting to know if the Wilhelm Thiele age 15 was at the end
of the passenger list (where you will find those born at sea & stowaways) or
somewhere in the middle. If family lore is correct, he didn't come over
with his family. His brother August came over in 1891 through PA (1930
census). We know nothing about his parents. Only their names.

The Dallas Public Library has the Pennsylvania passenger lists on microfilm.
I'm afraid I'll have to bite the bullet on this one and go sort through 6-7
years of microfilm. If I am really lucky, I'll find both William and Gus
and the village from whence they came.

Thank you for the look up. I'll start with that one. Just maybe he'll be
at the end of the list.

Frances

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Gary, Hmmmmm Wilhelmine! I was thinking Minerva. But your suggestion makes
more sense. I'll keep that in mind. As for Thiele being a common name, it
can't be any worse than trying to sort through 4 separate lines of Smith all
settling in the same area and every one of them naming sons William, Willis,
Wiley, Willard and Bill.

--Frances

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Frances,
My GGGrandmother was born Sophie THIEL, daughter of Johannes THIEL and
Margarethe Elisabeth HOFMEISTER, born in 1820, in Escherode, Kingdom of
Hanover. Escherode is a small town just east of the city of Kassel. She
married twice before she immigrated to Baltimore in 1865.

She probably was not related to yours (although she could have been). But
the town where she and her children were from was listed on the original
passenger list when she came to the US. The town name did not make it into
"Germans to America," which only listed them as from Hanover.

If you don't know what ship they came on, "Germans to America" can help you
determine that. But then you need to check the original passenger list on
microfilm, because it may very well contain more information. Good luck.

John

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You're right John. I think going through the microfilm is the next step.
I'll keep your information filed away on the off chance that we tie in
somewhere way, way back there. Your GGGrandmother would be about the age of
William's parents, maybe slightly older.

--Frances