Dear List,
Sorry to have scribed a book and apologize for sending twice. I had meant to send to Barbara directly. I accidently hit send twice and mail sent twice.
Warmest Regards,
Barbie-Lew> From: barbie8674@hotmail.com> To: hannover-l@genealogy.net> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:31:42 -0500> Subject: Re: [HN] Tobben> > > Dear Barbara,> > Thank you for thinking of me. Yes, I am definately still interested in the surname Tobben, though I have a bit of a quandry. > > I thought Martin Feldhaus parents were Lucas & Adelheid Tobben-Feldhaus. I had thought siblings of Martin that survived to adulthood were Herman, Joseph, William and Anton.> > I had thought this obituary pertained to Martin's mother. > > FELDHAUS-Entered into rest on Thursday, Jan. 11, 1923 at 5 am. Mrs. Adelaide Feldhaus of 922 Mound Street dearly beloved mother of MARTIN, Herman, and Joseph Feldhaus, and our dear monther-in-law, grandmother and great-grand-mother, aged 84 years. The funeral takes place on Saturday, Jan. 13, at 7:30 am from the residence of her son, 226 Indiana Avenue, to St. Joseph's Church, thence to Calvary Cemetary.> > Adelheid Feldhaus death certificate dated 11 Jan 1923 gives her address as 2267 Indiana, age about 84, and gives parents names... Father..Lucas Feldhaus...Mother Adelheid Toben...???> > An obituary for William Feldhaus..gives Tobben as maiden name for mother Adelie...note the 922 Mound Street.> > FELDHAUS- On Sunday, Oct 21, 1917 at 9:15AM. Anton Feldhaus, beloved son of Adelie Feldhaus (nee Tobben), and brother of MARTIN, Herman and Joseph Feldhaus, at the age of 43 years 2 months. Funeral will take place from residence 922 Mound Street, on Wednesday, Oct. 24, at 1:30PM to St. Joseph Church, thence to Calvary Cemetary.> ---------------------------> Martin Feldhaus Marriage - As I could decifer script.> "Die 12 Januarie rite in matrimonium aunju sunt Martinus Feldhaus, fil, Lucae Feldhaus et Adelheidae Toben una cum Cath A Grotepehler fil, Francisci Grotepehler et Theresiae Bismeyer [coram?] me at testibus Josepho Feldhaus et Elisae Connell. Conjuctic in missa cantata be vedixe. L Etten SJ."> > Shrine of St. Joseph Church, St. Louis Archdiocesan Parish Records, 1870935/Page 219, 12 Jan 1888. > ----------------------------> > Missouri Death Certificate> Index - FELDHANS, Martin > Carson Road, Saint Fernd Township> Death - Jan 27 1927> Calvary .. Jan 29 1927> Undertaker - Cullen Kelly, 4824 Easton> Father - Luck Feldhaus> Mother - Thelma? Helena? Alfard? Ulford?? *****> Informant - Catherine Feldhaus, Carson Road.> > I know that the Missouri death certificate noted above is my Martin Feldhaus. I never knew him but others buried in the same plot I did know and my GGM Rosie's son Richard died prior to Martin Feldhaus and is first individual buried in lot 1994, section 24 Calvary Cemetery. The exact same lot that Martin is buried in. Catherine Grotepahler-Feldhaus , wife of Martin is also buried there..and my mom remembers GGM Rosie and her son my GF Bud Feldhaus mentioning Katie Feldhaus..and both Rosie and Bud are buried in this exact same plot also..along with several other known Feldhaus family members. > > As you can see I am confused. Did I mess up somewhere in my research? I don't know. I think Tobben belongs to my Feldhaus line but am not 100% certain anymore. I can't find Martin Feldhaus on the 1920 census. I can't find his son Robert Feldhaus on the 1930 census, but I can find Rose, Robert Jr., and Richard on the 1930 census. Rather strange isn't it? > > I can find Catherine Feldhaus on the 1930 census on Carson Road along with some of the unmarried children. My GGF Robert Feldhaus brother Frances was a pipe-coverer according to the 1930 census. I believe Frances nickname was "RED." Frances nephew, my GF Bud Feldhaus was a heat and frost insulater as well. > > Several years ago there was a Heat and Frost 100 year celebration at the Adams Mark Hotel. There was a memorial magazine to commemerate the local and past members of the local. > > Anyhow, there was a memorial to a "Red Feldhaus" from Feldhaus family and friends.. I contributed nothing to the memorial, didn't know anything about there even being a memorial and had no clue whatsoever about a "Red" Feldhaus. I knew my grandfather Bud Feldhaus had been a member of the local and I had always assumed he had been the original Feldhaus in this trade. > > Sundays were when the family and often extended family and friends gathered at my grandparents house for supper. Probobly Frances was there on occassion. I don't remember him though, but we children spent more time with mom's younger siblings because they were alot of fun. We didn't really spend alot of time with the older generation, though I surely regret that today. > > I do remember my GGA Clara Feldhaus-Butz. She was a daughter of Catherine Grotepahler and Martin Feldhaus. My GF Bud's aunt and my great-grand aunt. > > This is terrible to admidt..but I think probobly the reason why I remember Aunt Clara. There was a song about a Bertha Butt..one of the Butt sisters and being awful children we would giggle about the name Butz...And get in trouble if mom heard any of us, cousins included dare to even humm a bar of that tune..> > Well here I go rambling again.> > Anyhow, > > "FELDHAUS, CATHERINE [C] - 4434 Carson rd., Wed., April 19, 1939, 1:15 a.m. beloved wife of the late MARTIN FELDHAUS, dear mother of Leo, Tess, Mary, Francis, Gertrude Feldhaus,Mrs. Addie Mercier, Mrs. CLARA BUTZ and the late Robert Feldhaus, our dear motehr-in-law and grandmother. Funeral Fri., April 21, 8:30 a.m. from Cullen & Kelly Funeral Home, 7267 Natural Bridge, to St. Ann's church, Normandy. Internment Calvary Cemetery."> > Catherine Feldhaus Missouri Death certificates lists she is widow of Martin Feldhaus and that her father was Frances Grotepahler. The late Robert Feldhaus was my GGM Rosie's husband and father of Richard Feldhaus who was the first Feldhaus family member buriied Lot 1994, Secton 24 Calvary Cemetery.> > Buried at Calvary Cemetary, Lot 1273, Secton 14:> Anton Feldhaus - Oct 24 1917> WILLIAM FELDHAUS - Jan 04 1904 > Lucas Feldhaus - Feb 04 1883> Adelheid Tobben?- Feldhaus - Jan 13 1923> Herman Huetch INF (I believe Huetsch*) - SEPT 14, 1931> Herman J Feldhaus - Jan 8, 1937> Elizabeth Pohlman?- Feldhaus - Jan 7, 1944> > > At Special Collections Library I did find card file microfiche. > All data listed above matches microfiche EXCEPT: > > Lucas Feldhaus (Fr. 1.R.1-11) Dec 18, 1917> William Feldhaus (Fr. 16. W. 192) Dec 18 1917> > My assumption was/is that they were moved to Lot 1273, Section 14 from somewhere else. > > Obituaries for Anton, William, Adelheid and Elizabeth match dates listed online cemetery database. > > Did not locate obits for inf Herman Huetsch or Herman Feldhaus. > > Missouri online death certificates match all with the exception of William who died in 1904 and Lucas who died in 1883. > > How could the Adelheid Feldhaus who died in 1923 at the age of 84 be the daughter of Lucas Feldhaus who died in 1883 at the age of 57? She couldn't be the daughter of the Lucas Feldhaus who is buried in same plot with her. > > Adelheid age 84 years in 1923 indicates she was born circa 1839. > > Lucas Feldhaus age 57 in 1883 indicates he was born circa 1825. > > If the Adelheid Feldhaus who died in 1923 was not the wife of the Lucas Feldhaus who died in 1883 who the heck is she? Or who the heck is the Lucas Feldhaus who died in 1883 at the age of 57? > > The more I think about it ........ The more confused I am.> > > > Warmest Regards,> Barbie-Lew> > > > > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:01:48 -0700> From: raybarbara@san.rr.com> To: hannover-l@genealogy.net> Subject: [HN] Tobben> > Hello Barbie,> > I'm wondering if you are still searching for a Tobben in the Emsland.> Is that so? I have run into that name off and on. I'll tell you where I've> seen it---if you want it???> > Barbara> > > > ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L@genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l> _________________________________________________________________> Instantly invite friends from Facebook and other social networks to join you on Windows Live™ Messenger.> The extent of social media's impact on society is inconceivable.; ______________________________________________> > Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L@genealogy.net> hannover-l - genealogy.net