RE: Onomastik or onomastics (engl.)

"J b" <johnbrene@hotmail.com> schrieb:

Interesting web find HPA. I located it at:

Geogen Deutschland (Onlinedienst) - christoph.stoepel.net

As you say, this is useful for statistical surname assessments (name
frequency based on telephone listings in Germany) to include maps and graphs
for each find, plus general pointers as to where one might concentrate
further with their family name searches.

Hopefully the site is primed for an assault from foreign shores (I noticed
it became 'unavailable' for a brief bit). If it goes down one could try back
a little later, as the Geogen server may get hammered into temporary
unconsciousness (shellshock) from the collective stampede as word spreads.
lol

I forgot to tell, it is all just work and product of one lonely people, who managed to work out this statistical complicated programm. So everything depends probably from his capacities his is able to finance.

The scientifically and family-research progress can be illustrated by one name: WESTPHAL If you take the absolute spread in Germany there are no special hints at all, they are every-where in a similarely concentration. Things change if you look on the map of relative spread, means the percentage of Westphal in comparision to the local population. Now you see concen-trations in Schleswig Holstein and Mecklenburg and a bit in the South of Lower-Sax-ny.

How that, one may ask ? The explanantion: First: When last names were build, there was no sense for a man in Westphalia to name him WESTPHAL. That would give no distinction as all men in Westphalia were from Westphalia. So those where named WESTPHAL, who were in contrary to the rest surrounding people from this other countryside Westphalia.Menas only men outside Westphalia achieved this name WESTPHAL. Next: there was a battle in 1226 by Bornhöved, where the the Danish King was defeated. By that followed a possibility to conquer parts of Schleswig-Holstein and and Mecklenburg and put own people on the farms and the land. These were taken from Westphalia. And you see, that is what was to be proved. Still today about almost 800 years lateron, you can state by the actual spread of names this early developement by the relatively overproportional WESTPHALS in this conquered regions. Well, just science!

Like in every statistics, you have to take a minimum of cases for being able to count up the bigger whole. We all know this principe from elections. If there are a hundred entries, name statistics work already very well, below he, Mr. Stoepel, is prudent enough to tell you about the greater influence of accidantalness.

It does not show the one king way to the researched anchestors birth date, but it is the best mean for name based research for locating at least the region for ones research. by the way there shall be already similar programs for France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Best wishes for the new week

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenbüttel

Dear HPA,

I very much appreciate that site. I tried search for Sahs and Potrafke. The names not really rare but seemed mostly from similar area. The site I believe even reported something like after 1920 in Hamburg practically gone if I understood correctly.

It makes me wonder why in 1932 my grandparents visited Bernberg.

They also were in Bergedorf, Hamburg.

It made me wonder about the Carl Max Theodore Sass naturalization document I discovered in St. Louis that mentioned Nueruppin? and Nuebrandenberg?

What is your opinion?

Barbie-Lew

"J b" <johnbrene@hotmail.com> schrieb:
> Interesting web find HPA. I located it at:
>
> Geogen Deutschland (Onlinedienst) - christoph.stoepel.net
>
> As you say, this is useful for statistical surname assessments (name
> frequency based on telephone listings in Germany) to include maps and graphs
> for each find, plus general pointers as to where one might concentrate
> further with their family name searches.

>
> Hopefully the site is primed for an assault from foreign shores (I noticed
> it became 'unavailable' for a brief bit). If it goes down one could try back
> a little later, as the Geogen server may get hammered into temporary
> unconsciousness (shellshock) from the collective stampede as word spreads.
> lol

I forgot to tell, it is all just work and product of one lonely people, who managed to work out this statistical complicated programm. So everything depends probably from his capacities his is able to finance.

The scientifically and family-research progress can be illustrated by one name: WESTPHAL If you take the absolute spread in Germany there are no special hints at all, they are every-where in a similarely concentration. Things change if you look on the map of relative spread, means the percentage of Westphal in comparision to the local population. Now you see concen-trations in Schleswig Holstein and Mecklenburg and a bit in the South of Lower-Sax-ny.

How that, one may ask ? The explanantion: First: When last names were build, there was no sense for a man in Westphalia to name him WESTPHAL. That would give no distinction as all men in Westphalia were from Westphalia. So those where named WESTPHAL, who were in contrary to the rest surrounding people from this other countryside Westphalia.Menas only men outside Westphalia achieved this name WESTPHAL. Next: there was a battle in 1226 by Bornh�ved, where the the Danish King was defeated. By that followed a possibility to conquer parts of Schleswig-Holstein and and Mecklenburg and put own people on the farms and the land. These were taken from Westphalia. And you see, that is what was to be proved. Still today about almost 800 years lateron, you can state by the actual spread of names this early developement by the relatively overproportional WESTPHALS in this conquered regions. Well, just science!

Like in every statistics, you have to take a minimum of cases for being able to count up the bigger whole. We all know this principe from elections. If there are a hundred entries, name statistics work already very well, below he, Mr. Stoepel, is prudent enough to tell you about the greater influence of accidantalness.

It does not show the one king way to the researched anchestors birth date, but it is the best mean for name based research for locating at least the region for ones research. by the way there shall be already similar programs for France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Best wishes for the new week

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenb�ttel

Dear List,

Now you would think me really strange!!! I noticed online biography of Helmut Schmidt and photo.

I tell you...He resembles my father and his mother Dora Schmidt.

Online biography of Helmut Schmidt mentions:

In jener Stadt wuchs er in b�rgerlichen Verh�ltnissen auf. 1937 legte er an der Lichtwark-Schule in Hamburg-Bergedorf ***das Abitur ab. Von 1937 bis 1939 wurde Schmidt von der Wehrmacht zum Reichsarbeitsdienst und Wehrdienst eingezogen. 1939 wurde er Soldat und bei der Luftabwehr in Bremen stationiert. Von 1941 bis 1942 k�mpfte Schmidt an der Ostfront.

And online photo:

I tell you...I think he strongly resembles my father and his mother Dora Schmidt... My cousin thinks so also.

Yes. I am definately weird.

Barbie-Lew

"J b" <johnbrene@hotmail.com> schrieb:
> Interesting web find HPA. I located it at:
>
> Geogen Deutschland (Onlinedienst) - christoph.stoepel.net
>
> As you say, this is useful for statistical surname assessments (name
> frequency based on telephone listings in Germany) to include maps and graphs
> for each find, plus general pointers as to where one might concentrate
> further with their family name searches.

>
> Hopefully the site is primed for an assault from foreign shores (I noticed
> it became 'unavailable' for a brief bit). If it goes down one could try back
> a little later, as the Geogen server may get hammered into temporary
> unconsciousness (shellshock) from the collective stampede as word spreads.
> lol

I forgot to tell, it is all just work and product of one lonely people, who managed to work out this statistical complicated programm. So everything depends probably from his capacities his is able to finance.

The scientifically and family-research progress can be illustrated by one name: WESTPHAL If you take the absolute spread in Germany there are no special hints at all, they are every-where in a similarely concentration. Things change if you look on the map of relative spread, means the percentage of Westphal in comparision to the local population. Now you see concen-trations in Schleswig Holstein and Mecklenburg and a bit in the South of Lower-Sax-ny.

How that, one may ask ? The explanantion: First: When last names were build, there was no sense for a man in Westphalia to name him WESTPHAL. That would give no distinction as all men in Westphalia were from Westphalia. So those where named WESTPHAL, who were in contrary to the rest surrounding people from this other countryside Westphalia.Menas only men outside Westphalia achieved this name WESTPHAL. Next: there was a battle in 1226 by Bornh�ved, where the the Danish King was defeated. By that followed a possibility to conquer parts of Schleswig-Holstein and and Mecklenburg and put own people on the farms and the land. These were taken from Westphalia. And you see, that is what was to be proved. Still today about almost 800 years lateron, you can state by the actual spread of names this early developement by the relatively overproportional WESTPHALS in this conquered regions. Well, just science!

Like in every statistics, you have to take a minimum of cases for being able to count up the bigger whole. We all know this principe from elections. If there are a hundred entries, name statistics work already very well, below he, Mr. Stoepel, is prudent enough to tell you about the greater influence of accidantalness.

It does not show the one king way to the researched anchestors birth date, but it is the best mean for name based research for locating at least the region for ones research. by the way there shall be already similar programs for France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Best wishes for the new week

Hans Peter Albers, Bienenb�ttel