Re: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 6, Eintrag 28

hannover-l
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Barbara - I can't thank you enough. I can't wait to see what I can do with
this information. Can you tell me what "m�nnl." means? (Wehrkamp, m�nnl.
15089) Would it be a male child? I notice that the same code is used for
Marie and Wilhelm Clamor Wehrkamp. Also, what would be the significance in
the order of their names? Does the same code number indicate a family?
Even though these are not their complete names, does the second name of
Heinrich for each of them mean Heinrich was the name of their paternal
grandfather?

No, I have not yet looked at the LDS church records for Hilter. I didn't
know to start with Hilter or WHERE to start. You can be sure I am going to
trot over to the nearest Family History Center with all these emails in hand
and get some instruction just as soon as I can. Again, thank you so much.
My very best regards. Carole

   2. Re: Wehrkamp (R&B Stewart)

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 16:07:19 -0600
From: R&B Stewart <raybarbara@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [HN] Wehrkamp
To: Hannover-L <hannover-l@genealogy.net>
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Hi Carole,

     I think I know how Diana got the permission papers. I'm quite sure

I

worked with her on that project. In the Osnabr�ck archives, it lists the
following Wehrkamps who emigrated from Germany:

Wehrkamp, Adolf Ludwig Friedrich 12160
Wehrkamp, Adolph Ludwig Friedrich 12161
Wehrkamp, Adolph Ludwig Friedrich 12162
Wehrkamp, Clamor 12162
Wehrkamp, Clamor Ludwig 15085
Wehrkamp, Friedrich Louis Hermann 12163
Wehrkamp, Friedrich Ludwig Hermann 12164
Wehrkamp, Friedrich Rudolph 2288
Wehrkamp, Johann Heinrich 15086
Wehrkamp, J�rgen Heinrich 15087
Wehrkamp, Louis Eduard 24193
Wehrkamp, m�nnl. 12164
Wehrkamp, m�nnl. 12165
Wehrkamp, m�nnl. 15089
Wehrkamp, m�nnl. 2288
Wehrkamp, m�nnl. 24193
Wehrkamp, m�nnl. + weibl. 12160
Wehrkamp, Maria Christine Wilhelmine 15088
Wehrkamp, Marie 15089
Wehrkamp, Wilhelm 12165
Wehrkamp, Wilhelm Clamor Ludwig 15089
Wehrkamp, Wilhemina 15090

    Those records can be obtained by emailing the archives in Osnabr�ck.
(E-Mail: poststelle@staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de) The archives webpage
is:
    http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/ It's a little

hard

to work with, but I think I have the information here for you:

    You can see the code at the end of both Johann Hienrich and J�rgen
Heinrich is very close to one another. Furthermore when you click on that
number 15086 (Johann) you come up with:
Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Osnabr�ck, Rep 350 Ibg Nr. 7897f vgl. Nr. 7866
and for 15087 (J�rgen) you get:
Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Osnabr�ck, Rep 350 Ibg Nr. 7897 e vgl.Nr. 7864

You can request the records by using that code. Both of those codes point
to Hilter and yes, Hilter is not far from Natrup and both are just north

of

Dissen. Most likely the people from Natrup went to church in Hilter.

I'm not sure I would bother to obtain those emigration papers. It is

quite

obvious that the two men would have been relatives. Have you looked at

the

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Barbara - I can't thank you enough. I can't wait to see what I can do with
this information. Can you tell me what "männl." means? (Wehrkamp, männl.
15089) Would it be a male child? I notice that the same code is used for
Marie and Wilhelm Clamor Wehrkamp. Also, what would be the significance in
the order of their names? Does the same code number indicate a family?
Even though these are not their complete names, does the second name of
Heinrich for each of them mean Heinrich was the name of their paternal
grandfather?

No, I have not yet looked at the LDS church records for Hilter. I didn't
know to start with Hilter or WHERE to start. You can be sure I am going to
trot over to the nearest Family History Center with all these emails in hand
and get some instruction just as soon as I can. Again, thank you so much.
My very best regards. Carole

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Carole,

      Sorry I hit the send button by mistake there and sent your letter
back. I would guess that the "mannl" would either be male or a male child.
I'm not sure that the code means the same family--or mainly those traveling
together on a certain date. I have had to presume a lot about that website!
     I don't think you can presume anything about the name Heinrich meaning
the paternal grandfather. Some families in my ancestry named every son with
the first name John and the girls started with Maria, and in some cases
Anna. Some have 4 names! There are some naming patterns that are evident
in my German ancestors--and in my husband's Scot ancestors. It is important
to notice repetition of names when hunting for relatives - especially
unusual names can be a good clue.
   Good luck with your LDS research. I certainly hope that Hilter is the
right place to start! In all these civil records, one wonders if the place
given is the birthplace - or -where their last place of residence might be.

Barbara

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Carole,

without checking again I dodn't think you'll find much more then some
duplicate records of a brief period about Hilter at the LDS. Their
churchbooks are stored at the Lutheran archives in Osnabrück.

If you have a serious interest in this area I would recommend joing the
local genealogical society which has members who have been
working on the Hilter church books in their effort to transcribe all local
books.

The web site is: http://www.osna.de

The intent is to make these pages available in English but that hasn't
happened yet. Franz Riehemann FranzRiehemann@compuserve.com
is in charge of contacts between genealogists. I guess Rita Kröger
would be the person to write to about becoming a member. So far only
two people from the US are members but they have an active
emigrations subgroup which deals with people who left the area.

Fred

26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
FredRump@earthlink.net
609-386-6846
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority,
it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain (1835 -
1910)

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Hi there,

Small correction and adding of another genealogy research group for that
area:

www.osFa.de (not www.osna.de) or www.os-gen.de

Sven

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I checked the LDS records on Hilter. It may be spotty, but it does have a
fair amount of information depending on dates. This is what the church
records include:

Geburten, Heiraten, Tote 1808-1810 FHL INTL Film
1336571

Geburten, Heiraten, Tote 1811-1812
Taufen, Heiraten, Tote, Konf. 1822-1852 FHL INTL Film
1336572

Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1853-1874 FHL INTL Film
1336573

I think this is what the words mean in English:

Geburten=births Taufen = Christening Heiraten=marriages
Tote=deaths

Barbara