Re: [Germans-STL] Erbkotter- More information

Dear Gary,

I have also read someplace that some huermann also grew flax? to make lace or cloth as a sideline.

Also have heard huermann as [hollendganger?] Spelling is probobly wrong, but I think the meaning is traveling to the Netherlands to work as laborers harvesting peat?

I guess equated with traveling pickers or crop harvesters in the U.S. not sure.

My ancestor was listed as a Dienstknecht. Not sure of exact meaning but I think babelfish translation describes as Hired laborer or Farm laborer.

Noticed on the 1880 St. Louis City census he was listed as "porter in store." Maybe he worked for your ancestor :slight_smile: He must have had a hard life I think. He was born 1825 and died 1883. Was in his 50's I guess.

His wife was a few years younger. I think about her alot.

She was born 1839 and lived until 1923! Wow. What a lot of changes she must have seen. Came to St. Louis in 1859 so lived during the civil war I suppose, and was still around when streetcars and automobiles became fairly common. And old enough to remember her home in Germany and remember her live as daughter of a farmer of a tiny strip of land, or likely, a landless farmer from Helte-Bokeloh.

I suppose today in Germany those old Huermann farmer-barn type houses are pretty precious as a part of old history, and probobly cherished by the local residents as landmarks. Perhaps similar to an old homestead cabins, here in midwest America. Rare and interesting. A part of history that needs to be saved, yet not the type of life anyone is willing to truly experience for more that maybe a week or two.

Barbie
St. Louis

Also have heard huermann as [hollendganger?] Spelling is probobly wrong,
but I think the meaning is traveling to the Netherlands to work as
laborers harvesting peat?

--> huermann is low german spelling for Heuermann (tenant farmers). A lot of this Heuerleute (plural) going by feet to the Netherlands as season workers particularly to cutting the grass, some of them for the fishing on sea, also whale fishing.

I guess equated with traveling pickers or crop harvesters in the U.S. not
sure.

My ancestor was listed as a Dienstknecht. Not sure of exact meaning but I
think babelfish translation describes as Hired laborer or Farm laborer.

--> Dienstknecht is a farm hand.

Werner

Hi Barbie:

Yes, I believe the heuerlites (sp?) had to take in this sort of work in
order to make ends meet. As I remember, There was a serious social and
economic problem when Holland, France and England developed
industrialization processes that cut the need for their work. Evidently,
these countries were far ahead of the German states industrially.

My g-grand had the same age span as your g-gmother 1831-1916! That span is
one of the reasons why I chose him for many pages of notes - very
interesting times. St. Louis was a very small town when they arrived and
grew to be the 4th largest in the country. For a couple of years St Louis
even handled more cargo at it's levee than New Your City did at it's piers!
What they must have seen and experienced!

Gary