Questions, please

Dear Listers,

My problem: is this:

My ancestor JOHANN ALBERT CHRISTIAN RIPPE (who went by the name of ALBERT RIPPE) was born 31 Jan 1804 and two days later was christened in the EVANGELISCHE KIRCHE in the town of WECHOLT, which is located near the city of HOYA. On 26 Dec 1824 in WECHOLT, ALBERT married CATHARINA MARGARETHE OTTERMANN. CATHARINA died on 18 Feb 1845. And, at sometime after CATHARINA's death and before December 1850 when ALBERT appears in the 1850 U. S. Census, residing in Brazoria, Texas, ALBERT immigrated to the U.S.

Although I have searched every where I know, I have been unable to find the dates, the ship or the ports involved in ALBERT's immigration. I would welcome any response that might lead me to this information. If there is a professional genealogist familiar with the WECHOLT area and the possible benefits of the "Hannover Censuses", I would very much like to make arrangements with you.

With thanks to each of you who took the time to read this and with hope that, if you have any ideas, you will contact me,

Sincerely,
Newton Brand
Houston, Texas

Hello,
     You might look at this ship list arriving in Galveston in 1849 with
persons with the name Rippe on it. There is a Christian who is a farmer
coming from Hofa (Hoya) and he's a farmer, but obviously his age listed as
10 could hardly be right:

  ISTG Vol 4 - Bark Franziska

     Also, have you looked at the archives from which you can get emigration
information -- there are Rippes listed there:
     http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
     If you choose Hannover, then go to Index, then fill in the search box
with the surname Rippe, choose personen and then choose Suche Starten and
you will receive a list of many Rippes. Then, you click the number on the
right and it will give a code you would use to order records. Many codes
are numbers are similiar as though several people from the same area came
together. The 2 Johns with longer names show Hoya. You can order records
from the archives (which will give you much more information) with those
codes. Perhaps you can read German and therefore can move around that
website better than I did when I first tried it!
Good luck

Hannover Census Records: The census records that have been microfilmed and
are available at the LDS Family History Library are listed on this page...

http://home.att.net/~arnielang/HannoverCensus.html

Hi Frances Faitt,
Thanks so very much for the list of Hannover Census records and the news-to-me that the records are available on microfilm from LDS.

I realize that I must first determine which of the items on the list would most likely include the WECHOLT/WECHOLD area of my RIPPE. (Actually my RIPPE line goes back to a 1670 birth in the town of EITZENDORF which is very near, I'm told, to WECHOLT, and a generation in MARTFELD, also very close, before the line ends in WECHOLT.)

I don't read German and I really need to translate the following words on your list:

Gerichtsakten
Amtsgericht Gerichtsakten
Standesamt Gerichtsakten
Amtsgericht Volkszahlung

and the last three on the list:

Hannover: Erganzungskarte fur Angaben uber Abstammung und Vorbildung Deutschland. Reichssippenamt Volkszahlung

Hildesheim

Osnabruck

Would you, or some other lister, know the translation for the words above?

And, also, would you, or some other lister, know which of the items on the list would most likely include the towns of WECHOLT, EITZENDORF, MARTFELD town, all of which are close to the city of HOYA? I note that the second item on the list refers to "Bruchhausen (Kr. hoya, Hannover)" and, on the second page, an item refers to "Hoya (Hannover)".

Again, thanks!

Newton Brand

Frances Faitt wrote:

Hi R&B Stewart,

Thanks so much for your response to my query. Yes, I am aware of the three surnamed RIPPEs on the 1849 Franziska crossing. The two girls are ALBERT RIPPE's children and I'm pretty sure that Chris is his nephew. And, your're right, Chris' age was not 10 but 16, still a bit young for a farmer, I think.

I've not been successful in, as you state, "choose Hannover, then go to Index, then fill in the search box with the name Rippe", choose personen and then choose Suche Starten" and then receive a list of many Rippes.

This is what I did: As I read it, the drop-down gave me three choices, the top one was "Hauptstaatsarchiv Hannover. etc". I selected it as the other two did not mention "Hannover" at all. Then I clicked on "Abschicken" but that didn't go anywhere. So I was not able to get to the "Index". I hate to bother you more with this, but would appreciate your enlightening me as to what I'm doing wrong. I do not read German at all but I do very much want to follow through on this.

Another question, please: You mention ordering records from the Archives. I am certainly prepared to do that but, in another response I've had to my query, the responder referred to LDS microfilm records and attached two and one half pages of titles which I presume to be the Census records. Do you know if the LDS microfilm includes everything that would be available from Hannover source?

Again with apology for requesting additional information but great appreciation for your response,

Newton Brand

R&B Stewart wrote:

Newton, translation is one thing, and meaning another. I use Babel Fish
(http://babelfish.altavista.com) to gain insight into the meaning of various
phrases. Babel Fish translation is entered in line below:

I don't read German and I really need to translate the following words
on your list:

Gerichtsakten

= Court Records

Amtsgericht Gerichtsakten

= District Court Records

Standesamt Gerichtsakten

= Registers Office Court Records

Amtsgericht

=District court

Volkszahlung

= People's Payment

and the last three on the list:

Hannover: Erganzungskarte (map)

fur Angaben (indicated)
uber (more)
Abstammung (descent)
und (and)
Vorbildung (training)

Deutschland. Reichssippenamt

= Realm Office for kinship

Volkszahlung

= peoples payment

Hildesheim

Osnabruck

Would you, or some other lister, know the translation for the words
above?

Try this map:
http://www.diepholz.city-map.de/city/db/011708000000/Martfeld.html

Hi Frances, Hi Newton,
Dear readers,

The mentioned website
http://home.att.net/~arnielang/HannoverCensus.html
has indeed the list of the LSD films of Hanover census records.

Please do not take it as searching for something to quibble about if
I add some short remarks.

1)
The correct body/instituation for all theses census records should
be the "Amt", not the "Amtsgericht" (the area adiministration, not
the court). This is important for anybody searching for these
records in Hanover itself, after we can find the "Amt" holdings under
the signatures starting with Hann. 74 ... (for instance Hann. 74
Hoya) while the ones of the "Amtgericht" have signatures starting
with Hann. 72.

2)
The Hanover Archive signatures and the way the Hanover holdings
are organized are based on the Amt organization after the big
administration reform of 1859. This means that you can find a lot of
towns and villages under a different Amt compared with the 1852
situation. Martfeld, Wechold and Eitzendorf are good examples for
this fact which might cause some confusion: Until 1852 all three
villages belonged to the Amt Hoya, from 1852 to 1859 to the new
Amt Martfeld, from 1859 on Martfeld belonged to the Amt
Bruchhausen, while Eitzendorf and Wechold belonged to the Amt
Hoya again after the Amt Martfeld had been closed down again in
1859. You will find the 1852 census of all three villages in the
holdings of the Amt Hoya after the holdings were usually not
divided after 1852 even if Ämter were split or changed.

3)
Some of the information in the LDS catalogue are wrong. There
never has been a Amtsgericht or Amt in Garlstorf, Amelinghausen,
Bardowick or Hohenmoor. In these cases a name of one village in
the records has obviously been taken as the name of the Amt.
There was no "Standesamt" in Uslar in the 1850s. It should say
Amt here as well.

4)
Almost all of these films contain a number of other records than the
1852 and some inly census-like records. This is surely not a fault,
but an advantage after researchers who already know where their
ancestors came from can check different records of different
periods of time.

5)
There are some films which do not include the 1852 census, any
even some which do not include any real complete census at all
(like Fallingbostel)

6)
It`s important to know that the LDS films only cover a portion of the
175 Ämter and 45 cities (which did not belong to any Amt) which
existed in 1852. Most. but not all of the 1852 census records
preserved in the State Archive Hanover were filmed. No census
record filming had been done yet in the State Archive Stade,
Osnabrück and Aurich (all three archives have a lot of census
records) and in the relevant Kreisarchive (some Kreise have never
handed over their 19th century census records to the State
Archives). Most of the cities still have their census records (if
preserved) in their own archives and they do not plan to hand them
over to the State Archives. LDS has filmed census records in the
town archives of Hildesheim and Emden, but not in the other town
archives.

An example:
I will be at the town archive of the small city of Bodenwerder on
Thursday and Friday. They have a complete set of census records
from the not very detailed census of the 1830s and 1840s to the
detailed censuses taken in the 1850s and 1860s. But it took me
some weeks (almost months) to find out after the honorary town
archivist himself was sure that they do not have such records in
their holdings.

Well, that`s all for today.

Best greetings from Bremen, Germany,

Jens

P.S.: My wife`s family is from Wechold and Eitzendorf. They were
the owners of the old mill in Wechold for some decades and some
lines of her ancestry go back to 1700 in Eitzendorf.

Jens Mueller-Koppe
HISTORICAL RESEARCH SERVICES, Germany (HRS)
Schanzendorfer Str. 9B
D - 28307 Bremen
Germany
www.hist.de

1852 Hanover Census Project
www.edition-hist.de

I'm having the same problem as I don't read German. Which group would
include Bothel,Brokel and Kirchwalsede?
Thanks for any help.
Leslie

Newton Brand wrote:

Dear Leslie,

I'm having the same problem as I don't read German. Which group would
include Bothel,Brokel and Kirchwalsede? Thanks for any help. Leslie

These three villages belonged to the Amt Rotenburg.

The census records of Kirchwalsede (527 inhabitants in 1852),
Bothel (518 inhabitants) and Brockel (312 inhabitants) were not
filmed by the LDS. They are either at the State Archive Stade or at
the Kreisarchiv Rotenburg in Bremervörde.

Jens

Jens Mueller-Koppe
HISTORICAL RESEARCH SERVICES, Germany (HRS)
Schanzendorfer Str. 9B
D - 28307 Bremen
Germany
www.hist.de

1852 Hanover Census Project
www.edition-hist.de

Jens, Thank you for the good advice and for the information provided in
your email. Understanding the historical background and the socio-political
structure is as important as learning the language. --Frances

Thanks very much, Frances, for not only the translations but the beautiful maps you also attached. I will be using the "babelfish" link you provided to translate other information that I have accumulated. Again thanks! Newton

Frances Faitt wrote:

Hi Jens,

I appreciate the interesting information on WECHOLD, EITZENDORF and MARTFELD and the recordkeeping of their censuses over the years. It's also interesting to hear of your wife's family connections to EITZENDORF. Thanks! Newton

hrs@hist.de wrote: