[OL]Hellmann's and Catholic churches near Visbek

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Hi,

I'm new to the list & hoping someone can help. I'm seeking the parents of my
great great grandfather Gerhardi Dietrich HELLMANN born about 1858 or 1859. He
died 1887 in Cincinnati OH (lived in Covington KY) when he fell to his death
from the 3rd floor of a building he was working on in Cincinnati. The paper
listed his age as 28. He arrived NY from Germany on the ship OHIO from Bremen on
Oct. 20 1881. His wife & 2 children arrived 1883.

Family lore states he was related to other Hellmann's in Covington who arrived
both before & after him. Yet, we cannot determine how. Many of these Hellmann's
were baptized St. Vitus in Visbeck as was Dietrich's wife Catherine Elizabeth
WILKENS in 1857.

I have searched the FHL films for St. Vitus in Visbek for Dietrich & did not
locate him. I've also looked 1850-1863 through St. Gorgonius in Goldenstedt
where Louise Hellmann b. 1871 was baptized per a paper brought with her. (my gr-
uncle claims Louise was an aunt, but the records do not indicate this), as well
as film 0896395 "Katholic Kirche Beatae Mariae Virginis Oythe" where I found the
1760 ancestor of the Covington Hellmans' but no Dietrich in my time frame.

The Cinncinnati FHL has the films from this area on permanent loan (so many from
there came here). I'm hoping next Saturday to do more research, but am hoping
for advise on which area in this vacinity to look at next. Since so many from
Covington lived in Rechterfeld & baptised in Visbek & Dietrichs wife was also
baptized there (her father was of Visbeck), it seems Dietrich should be found
somewhere nearby.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

Linda Boorom
Cincinnati

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Hello Linda,

you should also check "Bakum" and "Crapendorf", today Cloppenburg.

I found at the "Vechtaer Familien":
- Diederich Hellman, Schuster, born in Cloppenburg
  parents: Theodor Hellmann - Gesine Möller
  married 03.Febr.1852 in Crapendorf to Anna Maria Fortmann, born in Vechta
  children: Josephina, born 1847, Ludger born 1851, married in Wildeshausen

- two other Hellmann families lived in Oythe by Vechta

The church register of Steinfeld shows this only one Hellmann marriage record:

- Johann Bernard Hellmann from Bakum
  married 14.Oct.1863 in Steinfeld to Maria Theresia Honkomp

The church register of Lohne shows some older Helmann records, three came from Oythe, one from Bakum, no Gerhard Dietrich.

Good luck,
Werner Honkomp

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Werner,

I do have the 2 you mention on my list to look at. I'm certain the Diederich
Hellmann you mention below is not the one I'm looking for, he wasn't born yet in
1852 (I don't think). The paper said he was 28 years old when he died in 1887. I
have been looking between 1850 to 1863 just to be sure.

I haven't looked at Bakum records yet, but the LDS site
(http://www.familysearch.org/) has the films transcribed in the IGI as follows:
FHL INTL film 920826 includes Taufen 1694-1811 & can be searched under Batch #
C990021
FHL INTL film 920826 includes Heiraten 1694-1811 & can be searched under Batch #
M990021
FHL INTL film 920827 includes Taufen 1811-1872 & can be searched under Batch
#C990022
FHL INTL film 920827 includes Heiraten 1811-1875 & can be searched under Batch
#M990022

These are the only ones from the area that I found were transcribed in the IGI.
Numerous Hellmann's are listed in all of the above records, but the only one
which connects to what I've come up with thus far is in Batch M990021:

Marriage of Henricus Helman to Margaretha Getrud Engelstrade 23 April 1754.

FHL INTL Film 0896395 "Katholische Kirche Beatae Mariae Virginis Oythe:

Jos. Bernardus Hellman was baptised July 31, 1760 parents were Hermanus Hellman
& Gertrudis Engelstrade. sponsors were Joes ??? & Anna Catharina

Franciscus Henricus Helman was baptised May 31 1804 parents were Bernardus
Helman & Marie Elizabeth Rentz. sponsors were Franz Henricius Tole & Maria
Elisabeth Rentz.

A Johannes Bernardus Hellmann was baptising children in the 1850's, but I didn't
print. Will go back & check these later perhaps, if I can first find my
ancestor!

FHL INTL Film 0909906 Kathilische Kirche Visbeck (AG. Vechta) St. Vitus church
gives baptisms for Franz (Franciscus above) Hellmann & wife Elisabeth Hogeback
from 1827 through 1847. Several of his sons & grandchildren settled in Covington
KY from the 1860's through 1900.

On this same film I stumbled upon Dietrich Hellmans wife however. The film only
goes to 1875 so I couldn't check to see if she & Dietrich were married there nor
if their 1st son Gus born in 1880 was baptized there. Anyone have luck writing
this church for records?

FHL INTL film 0896458 "Katholische Kriche Golendstedt" for St. Gorgonius lists 2
baptisms for children of Joseph Hellmann (son of Franz) in 1857 & 1858. This
film only went to 1860, so didn't include his daughter Louise Hellmann in 1871,
but she too ended up in Covington. My great uncle who is still living claims
Louise was an aunt, but I didn't find Dieterich there :frowning:

Thus far, it would seem the families you mention below perhaps connect in some
manner to those I mention above. Perhaps someday I'll find enough to piece them
all together, including my Dietrich???

Linda Boorom

Hello Linda,

you should also check "Bakum" and "Crapendorf", today Cloppenburg.

I found at the "Vechtaer Familien":
- Diederich Hellman, Schuster, born in Cloppenburg
  parents: Theodor Hellmann - Gesine M�ller
  married 03.Febr.1852 in Crapendorf to Anna Maria Fortmann, born in Vechta
  children: Josephina, born 1847, Ludger born 1851, married in Wildeshausen

- two other Hellmann families lived in Oythe by Vechta

The church register of Steinfeld shows this only one Hellmann marriage record:

- Johann Bernard Hellmann from Bakum
  married 14.Oct.1863 in Steinfeld to Maria Theresia Honkomp

The church register of Lohne shows some older Helmann records, three came from
Oythe, one from Bakum, no Gerhard Dietrich.

Good luck,
Werner Honkomp

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Just for the record my earliest Hellmann was Gerard
Heinrich who shows up in Crapendorf at his marriage to
Margaretha Elizabeth Wittrock, the daughter of the mayor of
Cloppenburg, circa 1770.

They have at least two children: Anna Maria Angela
Bernadina and Fridericus Antonius *9.10.1770.

She married a Quadmann and in 1799 he married Anna
Margaretha Henricke Thöle. I mention this because of the
above Tole (misspelling?) witness.

These two had 6 children two of which married my ancestor
Clamor Ludwig Friedrich Hämmerer in succession. These
Hellmans may all have been related at some point but once
you venture into the 18th century things get to be a bit more
vague.

It would be nice if somebody could sort all these Hellmanns
out. :slight_smile:

Fred

   26 Warren St.
Beverly, NJ 08010
FredRump@earthlink.net
609-386-6846
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free, it expects what never was and never
will be." Thomas Jefferson

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Werner Honkomp researched my Hellmanns last January. I'm listing below the
results of his research (posted 1/12/2003). My Hellmann line is:

Bernard Heinrich Hellmann (1711)
Caspar Franz Hellmann (1750)
Johann Bernard Hellmann (1785)
Franz Hubertus Hellmann (1828)
Henry Hellmann (1864)

Henry moved to New Vienna, IA, in 1880. He moved to Hereford, TX, and opened
a shoe store.

Janet

Werner wrote:

Dear Janet,

do you know the history book of New Vienna Iowa?
It listed also the Erdmann history of New Vienna.

There you can find also the history of Gerhard Henry Hellmann, born 1790 in
Sevelten and the son Henry Hellmann born Sept. 24.1817 in Sevelten,
Oldenburg, close to Cloppenburg in Oldenburger M�nsterland. The emigrated
1834 to America first to Minster Ohio and 1843 to New Vienna and was also a
founder of New Vienna.

You wrote, that your ancestors came from Lohne and must be an other Hellmann
branch. I have only the church record of Lohne till 1811 at home, it listed
this:

- Johann Bernd Helmann, born Sept.09.1785 in Oythe/Vechta, died Dec. 28.1854
in Lohne
  parents: Caspar Helmann and Gertrus Bahlmann
  married Nov.11.1818 in Lohne to Anna Cath. Gertrud Kr�ger (Kroeger)

The old book "Lohner-Familien" shows this:

Joh. Bernard Hellmann and Gertud Kroeger, Heuerleute (tenant farmers) by
Zeller(big farmer) Luebbe-Bokern
children:
- *1820 Johann, oo 1852 to Marg. Auguste Brockhage (Salesman in Lohne)
- *1825 Klemens, oo 1852 to Juliane Brockhage (+1859), Salesman in Lohne
- *1828 Franz, oo 1859 to Bernardine R�chte(owner in Lehmden)
- *1835 Elisabeth, oo 1866 to widow Josef Bokern in Lehmden

I could be that this ancestors came from Oythe near Vechta, there was a
Hellman farm:
- 1568 Gerd Hellemann, 1593 Hermann Hillemann, 1734 Heinrich Hellmann, 1767
Joh. Hinr. Hellemann, died 1815.
- After this the farm was rented out to St�ve. 1888 sells to Meyer.

The parents of Bernardine R�chte are Johann Heinrich R�chte (*1790) and
Elisabeth Kr�mpelbeck, Zeller on Bokern

Werner Honkomp

Hi Fred,

My ancestor is Henry Hellmann, born Feb 13, 1864. He moved to America
when
he was 16. I think he may have had an older brother, Ferdinand, who moved
as well. He settled first in Iowa, and later moved to Texas. I found a
record for him under the name of Henrich Hellmann at www.family.search.org
.
The record shows that he was born in Lohne. His parents, Maria Bernardina
Rochte and Franz Hellmann are also listed as born in Lohne. His ancestors
are listed as born in Lohne and Oythen Vechta when I go back a few
generations through the Family Search Index. I'm not sure how accurate
the
records are.

Janet

Hello Janet,
I visited today the archive in Vechta and found some mor pices:

Bernd Henrich Hellmann, born 12.Jun.1711 in Oythe, died 16.Dec.1774 in Oythe
oo 07.Febr.1748 to Maria Bramlage
oo 04.Febr.1749 to Christina Margaretha Wichartz
oo 23.Apri.1754 to Gertrud Engelst�tte

son:
Caspar Franz Helmann, born 23.Mar.1750 Oythe, Heuerleute bey Zeller Th�le in
Telbrake
oo 09.Nov.1778 in Oythe to Anna Gertrud Bahlmann, born 05.Nov.1750, died
05.Jan.1824
children born in Oythe:
*17.Sept.1779 Johannes, oo 28.Nov.1826 Oythen Maria Elisabeth Busse
*06.Aug.1782 Anna Maria Elisabeth, +18.Apr.1851 Oythen
*18.Sept.1785 Berndt, +28.Dec.1854 (stomach illness) by L�bbe Bokern
              oo24.Nov.1818 in Lohne to Anna Catharina Gertrud Kr�ger
                            Heuerleute by Zeller L�bbe in Bokern
*18.May.1788 Hermann Heinrich, oo 27.Jan.1829 in Oythen to Margaretha Sander

Franz Hubertus Hellmann married 15.Nov.1859 in Lohne to Maria Bernardina
R�chte

The L�bbe farm in Bokern (part of the town Lohne) is still exist, by one
marriage the farm is called gr.Hackmann now.

I hope it help,

Werner--------------------------------------------------

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Dear Linda,

at my next visit in the church archive in Vechta I will check the Bakum records.
Maybe mid September.

Sincerely,
Werner Honkomp

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Fred,

sorry it took me a bit to answer. School started here this week & it's been a
bit hectic settling back into the routine!

The baptism you mention with a "Tole" as a sponsor is that of Franciscus
Henricus "Helman" on May 31 1804 at St. Vitus in Visbeck. I can send you a scan
of the document if you'd like.

I was back at the FHC last night, going through other records of the area
(without luck finding my Diederich Hellmann) and went back through part of the
St. Vitus records (in case I missed Diederich my 1st time through). It was the
period 1850-60 I was looking at, saw both Tole & Thole in the records.

So, am I to presume that you are a Hellmann descendant as well? Appears you know
much more about this area & research in Germany than I do. I'm just a beginer
with German research, & although I've spent close to 25 years looking for people
here in the US, I feel lost in Germany.

Were you able to access the Bakum info at LDS with my instructions? The earliest
event there that I could find was in 1739 when Joan Hellman married Anna
Catharina Zumbusch. The marriage is that of Henricus Hellman to Gertrudis
Engelstrade on Jul 31 1760. This is the only line I can trace at this time, &
which apparently has some connection to my Diederich.

I have 1 child at this point for "Herman Henricus" Hellman & Gertrudis
Engelstrade/Engelstrate and that is Joes. Bernardus baptized Jul 31 1760 in
Oythe. I can't quite make out the sponsors except as a Joes & a Anna Catharina.

I had a date for Johann Bernardus before looking at the records, so he was easy
to find. I did not search this period for more, but I did notice & copy a
baptism dated Jan 12 1761 for Rebecca Hellman, father was Joes & mother a
Gertrudis Kohl. Sponsors were Rebecca Hucken & Bernd Hellman.

Next baptism at Oythe I copied is that for Franciscus Hellman on May 31 1804
mentioned above. Interesting now that I'm home & studying this page, I find
Helmna 3 more times.

On Apr. 13 1804 a Herman Henricus Helman was sponsor to the baptism of Maria
Anna ?andeland (Langeland) dau of Herman Henricus & Anna Margarethe Albers.

On Dec 13 1804 a Maria Elizabeth Hilman was sponsor to the baptism of Maria
Elisabetha Neman dau of Herman Henricus & Anna Maria Langeland (makes me think
above is Langeland as well!)

And, on Jan 27 Joan Bernard Helman & Elisabeth Wempe had Hermanus Henricus
baptized. Sponsors were Herman Henricus War?man & Anna Maria Opderheide.

Although I have checked 1850-60 to my Diederich & didn't see him, I think I need
to go through the early records & extract all of the Hellmann entries.

Anyway, from there I've looked at St. Vitus in Visbeck where Franz (Franscisus)
Hellmann was having children baptized & also to Goldenstedt records where
Franz's son Joseph had children baptized.

Don't know if you are intersted in all of this info or not, or copies of the
documents. I have scanned them & sent them off to Steve Hellmann of Edgewood KY
to post on his website
http://hellmanninfo.dyndns.org/familytree/hellmann/default.htm

I don't see that Steve has any online yet.

On your Fridericus Antonius Hellmann, I did see several Antonius Hellmann's in
the Bakum records. There is also an Anton Hellmann baptised there Sep 29 1821.
Steve Hellmann has a pic of the tombstone of an Anton Hellmann b. Sep 27 1821
buried in Mother of God Cemetery in Covington KY which could be the same Anton.
He may have been the A. Hellmann residing in 1850 with a Bernard Henry Hellmann
who married in Covington in 1846. By Bernard's age looks like they were
brother's from the Bakum baptisms. It will be interesting to try to see how
these 2 connect to the other Hellmann's who settled in Covington.

Need to dash for now
Linda Boorom
Cincinnati