Are there official lists of emigrants from Koenigreich Hannover? in 1830's?
Hi Tom,
Yes, there is an emigrant database in the archives. This is the
website:
http://app.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/findbuch/
I have checked there before for your Klaus Allers (Ahlers), but there
is no record of him. There are other Ahlers mostly and only a few Allers.
On the first page you choose Hannover, Osnabrück, and Wolfenbüttel by
clicking and holding on the center line and choose one of the 3. Then click
on Abschicken. On the next page, go to Index (in the middle of the screen),
next page put the name you are researching in the little box, below it
choose Nach personen and then Suche starte. This will give you the names
in the archives of those who obtained a permission to emigrate. If you find
one that fits the name, you can order the records from the archives.
Did you see on the Immigrant Ships site that there is a Ship Ahlers
that appears when you do searches there? http://www.immigrantships.net/
Don't give up hope! You will find your Klaus Allers some time. It
often takes months and even years for a birthplace, unless you're really
lucky.
Barbara
Thank you again Barbara. As usual, you are very helpful.
I did find the Staatsarchiv website before but my German is so rusty
that I had a hard time navigating.
In Hannover, instead of clicking "index", I put Allers in Suchbegriff
field. I got 21 Datensaetze. It looks like addresses. This is where
the records are? Putting Allers in Index Suche gave me 0 results
(for Hannover). 7 results for Wolfenbuttel. Which archive would have
the area between Bremen, Cuxhaven, and Hamburg?
Did you see on the Immigrant Ships site that there is a Ship
Ahlers
that appears when you do searches there?
http://www.immigrantships.net/
I just saw it. Thanks Barbara!
Tom
Hi! tom, when you get these numbers:
PERSAllers, Christian9323
PERSAllers, Christian Theodor9324
PERSAllers, Dorothee9325
PERSAllers, Dorothee9326
PERSAllers, Georg Johannes August4312
PERSAllers, Gottfried Wilhelm9327
PERSAllers, Wilhelm9328
you go back to start and click on Gliederung then find the number in the list of amt's and Stads that pops up.
found the first Christian here: in Amt Lutter am Barenberge.
9323
Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenb�ttel, Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1851 Nr. 177
Amt Lutter am Barenberge
Then email them and request copy of that record for Christain Allers.
I did mine last Friday, Haven't heard from them yet.
I used this email address:poststelle@staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
Not sure if thats the right address. I tried to follow the instructions I had.
Bill Krems Kirkwood, Illinois
Thank you again Barbara. As usual, you are very helpful.
I did find the Staatsarchiv website before but my German is so rusty
that I had a hard time navigating.
In Hannover, instead of clicking "index", I put Allers in Suchbegriff
field. I got 21 Datensaetze. It looks like addresses. This is where
the records are? Putting Allers in Index Suche gave me 0 results
(for Hannover). 7 results for Wolfenbuttel. Which archive would have
the area between Bremen, Cuxhaven, and Hamburg?
Did you see on the Immigrant Ships site that there is a Ship
Ahlers
that appears when you do searches there?
http://www.immigrantships.net/
I just saw it. Thanks Barbara!
Tom
Here's a follow up to my last post:
to find the correct email address to order copies of records:
http://www.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/home/
Then click on: Staatsarchiv Wolfenb�ttel
gets you here:
http://www.staatsarchive.niedersachsen.de/master/0,,C31689_N14554_L20_D0_I503,00.html
on this page is email address for Wolfenbutel:
Forstweg 2, D-38302 Wolfenb�ttel
Telefon: (05331)935-0
Fax: (05331) 935-211
E-Mail: poststelle@staatsarchiv-wf.niedersachsen.de
Hi! tom, when you get these numbers:
PERSAllers, Christian9323
PERSAllers, Christian Theodor9324
PERSAllers, Dorothee9325
PERSAllers, Dorothee9326
PERSAllers, Georg Johannes August4312
PERSAllers, Gottfried Wilhelm9327
PERSAllers, Wilhelm9328
you go back to start and click on Gliederung then find the number in the list of amt's and Stads that pops up.
found the first Christian here: in Amt Lutter am Barenberge.
9323
Bestell-Nr.: Staatsarchiv Wolfenb�ttel, Z 34 Br. Anz. Jg. 1851 Nr. 177
Amt Lutter am Barenberge
Then email them and request copy of that record for Christain Allers.
I did mine last Friday, Haven't heard from them yet.
I used this email address:poststelle@staatsarchiv-os.niedersachsen.de
Not sure if thats the right address. I tried to follow the instructions I had.
Bill Krems Kirkwood, Illinois
Tom Allers wrote:
Thank you again Barbara. As usual, you are very helpful.
I did find the Staatsarchiv website before but my German is so rusty
that I had a hard time navigating.
In Hannover, instead of clicking "index", I put Allers in Suchbegriff
field. I got 21 Datensaetze. It looks like addresses. This is where
the records are? Putting Allers in Index Suche gave me 0 results
(for Hannover). 7 results for Wolfenbuttel. Which archive would have
the area between Bremen, Cuxhaven, and Hamburg?
Did you see on the Immigrant Ships site that there is a Ship
Ahlers
that appears when you do searches there?
http://www.immigrantships.net/
I just saw it. Thanks Barbara!
Tom
Hello Tom,
I would suggest that you search by using the index because that will
give you actual names of people including first names. You should try each
of the 3 databases with the name of Ahlers. Wolfenbüttel is the only one
that has any Allers at all. You will find no Klaus. There are a lot of
emigrants that did not get permission to emigrate or they got it elsewhere.
Since Ahlers is a rather common name, you won't learn much by using the
emigrant database (unless your Klaus had a different first name than he used
in the U.S.)
I would think that the name in Germany was more likely Ahlers--what he
used in this country is not necessarily what he may have used in Germany.
People could change their name (or spelling of it) when they applied for
citizenship. Always look for Ahlers as well as Allers in your hunt.
I don't think it matters where they lived--they probably would have
gotten their papers to emigrate in whichever place was convenient. Or
didn't get it at all. None of the names of my family from Hannover appear
on those databases.
You might try this website if you haven't done it before. It leads to
a lot of family trees. There are a lot of Ahlers listed (try Allers as
well.)
http://geneanet.org/genealogy/en/index
If you can pursue that area where there were actual Klaus Ahlers listed,
that may be where he's from. Also, continue the ship list hunt!
Have fun,
Barbara
Hi Barbara,
I don't know if this is proper or not, but may I ask a question(s)? After
you doing a wonderful job on explaining how to research the emigrants list,
I thought I would try it. And BINGO, I located some of my Poppe family. I
also have the correct email address to send my request for data.
My first question is what is the fee for their services? Second, there are
10 individuals of my Poppe family that I would like data on from Freudenburg
within a 7 digit number range. How much data can I request from this
organization? I'm excited that I found them and would be even more excited
if the data that I requested would be sent. And third, is the data sent via
email or snailmail, thus the need for home addresses.
Thanks much,
Marv
To MARV SCHRADER - are you also researching SCHRADER surname from HANNOVER
areas ? Yvonne researching SCHRADER from Osterode , Einbeck , Wernigerode ,
Niedersachswerfen and Dudestadt areas of Germany .
Hello Marv,
I have never ordered anything from the archives - because my ancestors
were never listed there - unfortunately. What I will do is send you a
couple letters that I saved which were posted on this list a year ago or so.
These letters are from 2 people who have ordered records. They should tell
you something of the procedure and what you can expect. The first letter is
about the Osnabrück archives. The second concerns the Hannover archives.
Read on:
Hi Yvonne,
Unfortunately I am not researching the Hanover area for my
SCHROEDER/SCHRADER family. They came from the Kreis Demmin,
Mecklenburg-Schwerin area of Germany. Thank you for asking though...
Marv
Thank you Barbara, I'll read through these a give it a try :-}
Marv
Marv,
Forgive my poor geographical knowledge, but is Kreis Demmin anywhere near Hamburg, specifically Buetzfleth/Stade? I have Schroeders from those parts.
D
Hey Darren,
Quick look on Mapblast got this.
Start: Demmin, Mecklenburg-West Pomerania, Germany
End: B�tzfleth, Lower Saxony, Germany
Total Distance: 192.0 Miles
Estimated Total Time: 3 hours, 38 minutes
BillKrems
--- Darren Hellwege <columbiamocowboy@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hello,
Looking from America the Kreis Demmin is "near Hamburg" but not in reality 
The former Kreis Demmin is part of the nowadays state Mecklenburg-Vorpommern but in former times it was part of Pommern that sometimes had been a state for itself and sometimes had been part of Prussia, but never it had been part of Mecklenburg-Schwerin.
What nowadays is called Kreis Demmin is created of the former Kreis Demmin and the former Kreis Malchin. The Kreis Malchin everytime had been part of Mecklenburg-Schwerin.
Greetings
Marie
Naw...if I was interested in a girl I wouldn't travel 192 to see her. Must be other Schroeders.
Buetzfleth's an interesting place, riverport on the Elbe (most of my forefathers were boatsmen, so of course they settled in North Dakota thousands of miles from the ocean) that had it's own identity for quite some time and now appears more and more to be a big neighborhood in Stade rather than a unique community of its own. For those still not sure, Stade's across the river from Hamburg.
LOVE Radio Hamburg, by the way, great station! But, that's a little off topic, I guess.
D
Hey Darren,
Quick look on Mapblast got this.
Start: Demmin, Mecklenburg-West Pomerania, Germany
End: B�tzfleth, Lower Saxony, Germany
Total Distance: 192.0 Miles
Estimated Total Time: 3 hours, 38 minutes
BillKrems
--- Darren Hellwege
wrote: