Neunkirchen or Neukirchen

hannover-l
1

Dear list-friends.

Can anyone enlighten me on a frustrating subject?

I've been trying to verify that the town of 'Belczna' is the place where ancestors lived.

One researcher spelled 'Neunkirchen'.
At least she did the first time.
(The researcher was 'Fernanda Marquardt Lobstein'; she died in 1980)
The town I found, that is "Belczna" today, was once called 'Neukirchen', with just 2 n's !!

Fernanda indicated that 'our' Neunkirchen is within the region of "Kries Regen Valde ". (a county) There doesn't seem to be a county by that name, but there is a Kries Regenwalde. As far as I can tell the only town in Regenwalde, close to that spelling, is Neukirchen (without the middle n & now called Belczna). However, I've found that there may be as many as 18 different Neunkirchen's in various other parts of Germany (& Austria).

Probably the researcher jotted down information as she discovered it. Her handwriting changes.
It looks like "Names of their children, all born in Neunkirchen Pommern Prussia ", was written down first.
Can't tell if it was on that same occasion that she wrote below it, "(Kries Regen Valde Region) no. of Berlin."
Or if that was written later. I think, "Germany" was added later. And a little later, "STETTIN".

Fernanda mentions the town 5 times throughout her handwritten booklet.
Here they are:
Neunkirchen
Neunkirchen
Neukirchen
Neuenkirchen
Neunkirchen

If she had the town name first, and then came to the conclusion of where it was... she could have ended up in the wrong area of 1800's Pommerania. I have no access to her source information to confirm the town & region. Any comments are welcome. Best regards,

Carole in California

2

Hello Carole,
      Maybe this website will be of help:

There is a reference on that site to Stettin where the Polish archives are
kept. I can see a small town of Neuenkirchen on my map just west of
Stettin. There is a Polish name for that town that is hard for me to read;
I think it is Doluje. It is very near to the German border. I did a google
search for Doluje and it refers to archives for that town (use the
translated version).

This is just from snooping around on the internet and my trusty Autoatlas. I
really don't know anything myself about the area.

Barbara

3

Carole,

      I just want to follow up on the previous information. The Polish name
for Stettin is Szczecin in case you are trying to find it on the map.
     
On the page below, you can see the listing for the church records for
Doluje (Neuenkirchen)--the people may have gone to church in Stettin
(Szczecin). That was Prussia at one time, now Poland.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Genealogie/l-rpolen.htm

    Maybe the woman was searching for the correct Neuenkirchen and wrote
down both Stettin and Reganwalde as possiblities?!

Barbara

4

Hallo Carole + Barbara,
meine zweisprachige H�fer-Karte PL001 1:200.000 (Westpommern) kennt
zwei Orte, die in Frage kommen k�nnten:
Neuenkirchen = Doluje (B8)
   westl. von Stettin an der Stra�e 10
Neukirchen = Beczna (K6)
   n�rdl. von Labes (= Lobez) an der Stra�e 148

now I will try my poor school english:
more about the 2 places you may find at www.kartenmeister.com

And try google, there I found:

Geschichte Preu�en, Provinz Pommern, Kreis Regenwalde
... Justiz (1894): 1) Amtsgericht Labes, Landgericht Stargard,
Oberlandesgericht Stettin
2) Amtsgericht Regenwalde, Landgericht Stargard,
Oberlandesgericht Stettin ...
www.literad.de/geschichte/regenwalde.html

County ~ Kreis (not Kries)

5

Hallo und Moin Moin

Bin neu in dieser Liste .... m�chte Euch auch nicht nerven ..... suche Leute
die mir in verschiedenen Orten weiterhelfen k�nnen.

Ich suche in folgenden Orten
T�nnhausen
Kirchgellersen
Drage
Oldershausen
Salzhausen

wer forscht da oder kann mir weiterhelfen .... habe mal mit einer Pastorin
in Drage telefoniert. Die sagte sie h�tte keine zeit um in Kirchenb�cher zu
schauen ... sie sei auch nur halbtags angestellt. Da ich im schwarzwald
wohne habe ich auch nicht die m�glichkeit da mal schnell vorbei zu fahren um
mal zu schauen.

ich hoffe Ihr k�nnt mir irgendwie weiter helfen.

Mfg
Thorsten

6

Hello Carole,

Neukirchen, Gemeinde, 271 inhabitants, Kreis Regenwalde, Pommern,
unter polnischer Verwaltung
according to Muellers Verzeichnis der jenseits der Oder-Neisse
gelegenen, unter
fremder Verwaltung stehenden Ortschaften
2. Auflage 1961, unveraenderter Nachdruck 1980,
ISBN 3 87643 002 x
Post- und Ortsbuchverlag Postmeister a. D. Friedrich Mueller, Wuppertal

Gemeinde political community
inhabitants according to 1939 census
under Polish administration means the status Pomerania had until it
became part of Poland
Muellers register of the places beyond the rivers Oder and Neisse under
foreign administration
2nd edition 1961, unchanged reprint of 1980
ISBN explains itself and the last line is the publisher
it is a reliable reference book
The editor has been and still is publishing a Deutsches Ortsbuch for
around 150 years

Greetings from Diepholz
Lower Saxony (former Hannover)

Falk Liebezeit

Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 05:02:38 +0200
Subject: [HN] Fw: Neunkirchen or Neukirchen
From: "Carole Gerosolimo" <cgerosolimo@astound.net>
To: <hannover-l@genealogy.net>

Dear list-friends.

Can anyone enlighten me on a frustrating subject?

I've been trying to verify that the town of 'Belczna' is the place

where ancestors lived.

One researcher spelled 'Neunkirchen'.
At least she did the first time.
(The researcher was 'Fernanda Marquardt Lobstein'; she died in 1980)
The town I found, that is "Belczna" today, was once called

'Neukirchen', with just 2 n's !!

Fernanda indicated that 'our' Neunkirchen is within the region of

"Kries Regen Valde ". (a county) There doesn't seem to be a county by
that name, but there is a Kries Regenwalde. As far as I can tell the
only town in Regenwalde, close to that spelling, is Neukirchen (without
the middle n & now called Belczna). However, I've found that there
may be as many as 18 different Neunkirchen's in various other parts of
Germany (& Austria).

Probably the researcher jotted down information as she discovered it.

Her handwriting changes.

It looks like "Names of their children, all born in Neunkirchen

Pommern Prussia ", was written down first.

Can't tell if it was on that same occasion that she wrote below it,

"(Kries Regen Valde Region) no. of Berlin."

Or if that was written later. I think, "Germany" was added later.

And a little later, "STETTIN".

Fernanda mentions the town 5 times throughout her handwritten booklet.
Here they are:
Neunkirchen
Neunkirchen
Neukirchen
Neuenkirchen
Neunkirchen

If she had the town name first, and then came to the conclusion of

where it was... she could have ended up in the wrong area of 1800's
Pommerania. I have no access to her source information to confirm the
town & region. Any comments are welcome. Best regards,

7

Hi Carole,

I found the following site:

www.geocities.com/regenwalde/renamed_villages.htm

Hope it helps.

Best regards

Isa

8

Hello Carole,

the right spelling is Neukirchen (now Belczna), located in Kreis (county) Regenwalde, about 50 miles easterly of Stettin (now Szczecin). I searched by GOOGLE for Regenwalde and found some interest sites, some with maps:

Werner