My real question is this...my gggrandmother from Hanover...in her obit ,
it
stated that she was from Leadwich Dres, Hanover ...she died in Waterloo,
IL.
This might be the area (Lengerich) that they wrote...I am just grasping at
straws since I have been told there is no such place.
Would this be the area of Hanover....crossing my fingers....that she could
have been from Lengerich ???
What is the first and surname of your gggrandmother?
I have some Drees in parish Lengerich.
Werner
Hello Werner!
My gggrandmother's name was Margaretha Schroeder b. July 10, 1835 and d. May
26, 1910 in St. Louis , MO.
Fredrich Dedeke was b. May 14, 1825 and d. April 9, 1900 in Waterloo, IL.
Pat
I found "Liekwegen" = 31688 Nienstedt b.Stadthagen, perhaps that is your
"Leadwich Dres", because it�s near to the town of Hanover and the German "Lie..."
sounds as the English "Lea...". I found two "Lengerich", one in "Westfalia", the
other in the "Emsland". Both seem not to belong to the Kingdom of Hannover, but
to Westfalia, nowadays Nordrhein-Westfalen. Could you check the source and con-
trole the writing of the found "Leadwich Dres" ? Perhaps it is one word and
slightly written in another way. There is no sense in "Dres", except in the Latin
shortform for "Doctores". But that can`t be, so it�s to uncommon for a Townname
or -suffix, village or otherwise name. Perhaps you can cite the whole context,
"Leadwich Dres" is taken from.
So much for this Hans Peter Albers
Patricia,
Here is a good website for looking at towns in Germany. Perhaps you can
find something that sounds like the name of Leadwich Dres. Maybe someone
was guessing at the spelling:
http://www.muc.de/~cfaerber/dmoz/de-gemeinden/l.html
It takes awhile to load. This should be the page starting with L.
Also, I think that Lengerich in Emsland would be in the Kingdom of Hannover.
Someone on the list mentioned this map of the Kingdom of Hannover and I
don't think the borders always follow what is today known as Niedersachsen.
Scroll down on the page and you will see the maps. Am I wrong, Hans? :
It could be that when I said Frille was in the Hannover area, I was
wrong. The way it looks to me it is near Petershagen which, according to
this map, it would be in the Hannover kingdom.
Also, there are times when someone lists their origin and they say
Hannover, they do actually mean the city. Maybe the Leadwich Dres was an
region or area in the city???
Barbara
Barbara Stewart schrieb:
Perhaps you can find something that sounds like the name of Leadwich Dres.
Maybe someone was guessing at the spelling:
I will try it, but it would be one work, if Patricia goes first back to her
source, and tells the "Lesarten", what means different possible redings of
"Leadwich Dres",taken from in best case the original text.
Also, I think that Lengerich in Emsland would be in the Kingdom of Hannover.
You are right, even there are only about ten km the border, it`s on the other
side of the border. One always should control, if the map in the mind is still
right.
Also, there are times when someone lists their origin and they say
Hannover, they do actually mean the city. Maybe the Leadwich Dres was an
region or area in the city???
If it was the quarter name, one can find those on most city-maps; sometimes in
aspecial little map anyway for the overview, sometimes written in a liitle bit
diagonal way across the area. But will not find them in the abc-register, because
for today`s orientation you only need the street names as there are no visible
borders between the quarters anymore, when the town grew together. If you got a
town map try this. But it may be, those names aren�t shown any more at all.
If you are doing research in the" Staatsarchiv"s there may be interesting for you
that these days also the Hamburg Staatsarchiv is online reacheable and you can
see, what they have got there. That`s almost the same function as the"Findbuch"
of Hanover. I got this address:
Startseite Politik & Verwaltung - hamburg.de.
best wishes for today Hans Peter Albers
Patricia, on what boat did your gggrandmother come to America? My
gggrandparents, Bernard Willer & Gesina Maria Giesen, came to St. Louis in
1853-54 from Lengerich (lengen) and I have not found them listed on any
passenger lists.
George Hicks
Kansas City
Hello George!
The info that I have on the Dedeke and Schroeder Families ...I obtained from
church records in Waterloo, IL. The church was United Church of Christ and
also from obits that were in local newspapers. The newspaper is where I
found the name Leadwich Dres, Hanover. I have death records, baptismal
records, etc.
I have found their son in law and researched him back to the town of Grossen
Linden and a German lady sent me so much info on him...all the way back to
1560 in church records along with pictures of the house that this line lived
in...when in Germany. What good luck is this...I was so pleased!!!
I pretty much have info from about 1850 to the present on the above family
but, nothing prior to 1850. I was lucky enough to find someone who had
pictures of these people. I was so glad to get the pictures.
I have checked ship records and cannot find them on a ship...maybe, it
hasn't been transcribed yet.
I don't know when they came to the U.S. or how/when they arrived...am still
trying to find that info.
Good luck!
Pat
Patricia Knight schrieb:
The info that I have on the Dedeke and Schroeder Families ...I obtained from
church records in Waterloo, IL. The church was United Church of Christ and
also from obits that were in local newspapers. The newspaper is where I
found the name Leadwich Dres, Hanover. I have death records, baptismal
records, etc.
Hello Patricia,
have you got a place of birth also written in the death record or baptismal
record for those people of "Leadwich Dres" ? If yes can it be read in some
slightly other way? When in which ?. Tried already a lot, because newspaper often
turn around simply two letters, but there is even no "Ladewich, Ladewig",
especially none with the suffix "Dres". If it is written in the above cited way,
first "Leadwich" then "," and then "Hanover", it will be not a quarter of the
town of Hannover. In that case normally one would say "Hannover-Leadwich", exept
it became very late a part of the town. Up to now, the only idea I got and it is
only a trace of an idea, is "Landw�rden" nearby "Dedesdorf", nowadays belonging
to 27612 Loxstedt, which is in the Cuxhaven area, very nearby the town of
Cuxhaven, which is a harbour town. It�s only because of the possible word melody
and you get an explanation for "Dres" which could be perhaps a shortening for
"Dedesdorf". By the way, as their son in law is from Gro�en Linden, he is not
anymore from the region of "Lower Saxony". But there may be also another explana-
tion for your "Leadwich". It can be wrong heard and written for "Landwehr",
which is quite often, and was quite more often ago as a living place name. Then
the really name of village or place must be in "Dres". Landwehr were formings in
landscape for better defense of the country, sometimes as an earthwall, sometimes
even a small valley, which could be flooded. Nearby settlements often got the
name Landwehr, but ususally belonged to the towns or villages, which builded
these defensements. But don`t take all that for more then vague possibilities. If
in the given name of "Leadwich Dres" is not the birth place, but the place of
last stay in Germany meant, it would give some sense with the "Landw�rden"-place
near Cuxhaven.
So sorry for not being able to give more definitely news. Definetely found is one
Dedeke or Dederke in Hannover. There married 23.5.1802 Carl Heinrich Dederke,
Feldwebel,Garde, *Bissendorf and Anna Catharina Westhof, * Herrenhausen. Not the
one you looked for, perhaps needed dates in the generation before.
So that`s all for the moment Hans Peter Albers
Thanks Pat ! If you find the ship, let me know. My Bernard Willer &
family might be on the same ship.
George Hicks