Hi everyone,
Maybe someone could shed some light on my dilemma. I have a Minnie Klug and
Philip Kramer as parents
on a marriage in NY, of Leontine Karmer and August Miller. Does this ring a
bell with anyone? I have never been able to find a family before they
married. Thanks Jo Ann
In a message dated 1/18/2010 3:16:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
netkitty@hotmail.com writes:
Hi Bobbi,
On the next page of the Hamburg list.... 198 they have another list for
the Courland and it is spelled more clearly. I think the name of the ship
departing Hamburg is definitely the Courland. I googled that name and
found info on the history of that ship.
As for my Friedrich Klug, he definitely did not die on his way to Glasgow,
because he ended up living with his parents in 1880 in Huron County,
Michigan and later he lived on his own farm after he married. He didn't die
until 1935 and I am in contact with his grandchildren still. One thing
his descendants say is that he got a job working for a bank in NYC and
worked there for a while until he made his way to Michigan.
It would have made sense if Friedrich arrived some two months after he
departed on the Courland....about July 1873. His older brother Heinrich dep
Hamburg Apr 26 1873, arr NYC May 13, 1873. Friedrich was only 14 years
old, and his brother Heinrich was 18 and could have been in NYC waiting to
meet him. Supposedly two other siblings Elisabeth and Norbert also
made it to NYC around the same time, but I haven't found their ship.
One possibility could be that Friedrich got to Glasgow but then didn't get
on another ship right away and didn't arrive to NYC until perhaps 1874.
On his 1900 census he lists that he immigrated in 1874, but of course
they often don't remember the right year so that might not mean anything.
It's puzzling. Thanks, Pam
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:21:34 -0500
From: bobbidoll123@gmail.com
To: hannover-l@genealogy.net
Subject: Re: [HN] Klug - Departure found, but not the ArrivalHi Pam,
I looked at the image. The name of the ship looks like "Bourland" to me.
I
looked for a ship of that name and found nothing. Perhaps it is not a "C"
or a "B" for the first letter.Yes, the name of the place is Buxtehude.
I looked and found a family Klug entering Baltimore. But the date is too
early.
Name: Franz Klug Birth: abt 1860 - GermanyDeparture: Bremen, Germany
Arrival: 3 May 1873 - Baltimore, Maryland Residence: Preußen
(Family occupation: Farmers)A person travelling to Glasglow would not then travel to LeHarve to go to
the U.S.I would think there is a possibility that either died on his way to
Glasglow, in Glasglow, or perhaps he decided to stay there. I think you
would need to find incoming lists to Scotland in order to check it out.
It
definitely says that he was on his way to New York.
The top of the list says the people signed on to emigrate to New York via
Glasglow. That doesn't necessarily mean that that particular ship was
going
all the way to New York.
Bobbi
>
> To Bobbi and anyone who might be able to help.
>
> I think I have found another ancestor's departure on the Hamburg
Indirect
> list but I cannot find his arrival in NYC for sure. There is a puzzle
> here.
> This is what I believe to be his departure (See Friedrich Klug, the
first
> passenger) :
>
>
>
http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/View.aspx?dbid=1068&path=1870-1879.Indirekt+Band+022+(1+Mai+1873+-++31+Aug+1873).197<http://search.ancestry.
com/Browse/View.aspx?dbid=1068&path=1870-1879.Indirekt+Band+022+%281+Mai+1873+-++
31+Aug+1873%29.197>
>
> "28 May 1873, Friedrich Klug (age 14) from state of Hanover, departed
> aboard ship "Courland" to New York via Glasgow. " Is the town name
> Buxtehude ?
>
> When I look on the New York arrivals I cannot find any ship "Courland"
at
> all. Does this mean that the "Courland" only took him as far as Glasgow
> and then he had to board another ship? If that's so then why would the
> "Courland" log list that it is bound for New York via Glasgow?
>
> On the New York Passenger arrivals I find one Frieder. Kluge age 18,
who
> arrived July 16, 1873 aboard the "Fresia" which is listed as having
sailed
> from Hamburg, traveling via La Havre, France. However the "Fresia"
didn't
> sail from Glasgow so how could this be the same Friedrich Klug? Why
also
> would my Friedrich go to Glasgow and then La Havre France was that a
normal
> route?
>
> Then I checked the Indirect Departures for any other Klug or Kluge
> candidates that departed in June 1873 just to see if I could verify
that the
> arrival on the "Fresia" was indeed a different one, not my ancestor.
> There is a family of a Ferdinand Kluge age 31, with a son Fred age 7
that
> departs 6 June 1873 from Hamburg traveling to America via Liverpool.
The
> only problem is that none have near the right age.
>
> So would my ancestor have traveled to Glasgow and then some how
boarded the