Hi,
I maybe missing something but.....
It seems like every time I look for information around 1850 where you have to click on the Kingdom's in Germany at that time - the Kingdom of Hannover is never listed as a choice. Other areas are listed but not Hannover or Braunschweig. Can someone explain this to me - please.
Also were the emigration records from Bremen destroyed during WWII?
Thanks, Gail Schrader
Still looking for Heinrich Schrader in the Duchy of Braunschweig
Hi.
Have a look to this link:
Herbert
Hi Gail,
If you're talking about the LDS search site, it is true that Hannover
is not listed as a choice. Prussia is there, but that's not the same
thing. It has always been frustrating to me, so I don't chose any region and
just look through the listings and watch for Hannover or Braunschweig.
I have read often about the Bremen lists being destroyed. Must be the
case.
Barbara
Gail wrote:
I maybe missing something but.....
It seems like every time I look for information around 1850 where you have to click on the Kingdom's in Germany at that time - the Kingdom of Hannover is never listed as a choice. Other areas are listed but not Hannover or Braunschweig. Can someone explain this to me - please.
You lost me here, unless it's as Barbara suggests (re LDS online?). Maybe you can clarify this more, or cite a few examples.
Also were the emigration records from Bremen destroyed during WWII?
The most popular emigrant ports of departure in Germany by far were Bremen and Hamburg, although many Germans left through other European ports such as Antwerp (Belgium), Le Havre (France), Rotterdam (Holland) and Liverpool (England, via an indirect route).
Unfortunately, most of the passenger lists from Bremen did not survive. City archivists in Bremen destroyed some of the lists between 1875 and 1909 due to lack of storage space. Other lists were destroyed from Allied bombings during World War II. Portions of the Bremen passenger lists that survived are found in the series "List of Passengers Bound from Bremen to New York, 1847-71". This is a 4-volume work by Gary Zimmerman and Marion Wolfert (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co).
If you believe or have indications your ancestors sailed from Bremen, you should search the indexes for the passenger lists for the port of ARRIVAL in the US (if known). New York passenger lists have not been indexed on microfilm from 1847 to 1897, but they are indexed online I believe, and many other resources are also available now. How complete these indexes are at this point is anyone's guess. Other popular arrival ports in the U.S. include Boston, Philadelphia, New Orleans and Baltimore. Many of these have also been indexed, at least for the most part.
Hope this helps. Jb
Do you checked www.castlegarden.org ?
Here the Schrader Heinrich's 1848 - 1855:
First name Last name Occupation Age Sex Arrived Origin Ship
Heinrich Schrader Child, Youngster 8 M 13 Jun 1853 Hanover Herman - ? to Cincinnati
Heinrich Schrader Farmer 19 U 18 Nov 1853 Germany Post - last residence Barbecke-b. to St.Louis
Henry Schrader Farmer 28 M 14 Jun 1852 Germany Admiral Browning - last r. Styrum to St.Louis
Henry Schrader Farmer 28 M 14 Jun 1852 Germany Admiral Browning - ? to St.Louis
Henry Schrader Blacksmith 36 M 7 Jul 1848 Germany Pallas - Brakel to Cincinnati
Jon.heinr. Schrader Merchant 24 M 18 Dec 1855 Germany Fides - Friedrichsdorf to St.Louis
I hope it helps,
Werner
R&B Stewart wrote:
I have read often about the Bremen lists being destroyed. Must be the
case.
It's my understanding that through the years they were destroyed to make room for more current records. It had nothing to do with a war.
Mona
Mona you are right,
Werner
Mona,
I didn't mention the war. I've read often that Bremen lists were
destroyed. How or why isn't that important--unfortunately, they're gone. I
think the Bremen Die Maus group is trying to restore them, but it's probably
based on the American files.
Barbara
She and Werner are obviously taking exception to what was written in my post, though not citing it directly. They're also wrong in this regard. Read below, and do the arithmetic. The years 1905-1919 went up in smoke.
From Die Maus, Ein Gemeinschaftsprojekt mit der Handelskammer Bremen:
Unfortunately, from 1875 - 1908, staff of the �Nachweisungsbureau�, because of lacking office space, decided to destroy all lists older than 3 years. With the exception of 2.953 passenger lists for the years 1920 � 1939 all other lists were lost in World War II. These saved lists had been stowed away in a salt mine at Bernburg an der Saale in 1942 together with other archives for the purpose of protection, and were transferred into the custody of Moscow Archives at the end of WW II.
In 1987 and 1990 those lists were given back to the Bremen Chamber of Commerce.
Im Jahre 1875 entschieden Mitarbeiter, aus Raummangel alle Passagierlisten bis auf die der letzten drei Jahre, zu vernichten. Dies hielt an bis 1908. Namenlisten, die die Polizeidirektion seit 1898 und das Nachweisungsb�ro seit 1905 aufbewahrten, fielen einem Bombenangriff im II.Weltkrieg zum Opfer. Im Archiv der Handelskammer Bremen befinden sich heute 2953 Passagierlisten von Schiffen aus den Jahren 1920 bis 1939, die in die USA, nach Kanada oder nach S�damerika gefahren sind. Im Jahre 1942 wurden diese Listen zusammen mit anderen Archivalien zu ihrem Schutz in ein Salzbergwerk in Bernburg an der Saale ausgelagert. Nach dem Ende des 2. Weltkriegs gelangten die Listen in sowjetischen Besitz und wurden in Moskauer Archive gebracht.
From Adele Marcum, historian and content acquisitions researcher for
Ancestry.com:
Unfortunately, many passenger lists from Bremen and other ports did not survive. City archivists in Bremen destroyed some lists between 1875 and 1909 due to lack of storage space. Other lists were destroyed from Allied bombing during World War II.
Would you prefer me to cite further sources?
It might be worth keeping in mind that very little in regards to records and historical treasures would have survived the Allied bombing campaigns had German officials - Nazi or otherwise - had the foresight to hide much of what they had in caves. By 1945, every imaginable target, large and small, was up for game. By that point, overkill knew no bounds.
Jb
The Bremen Passengerlists
I didn't mention the war. I've read often that Bremen lists were
destroyed. How or why isn't that important--unfortunately, they're gone. I
think the Bremen Die Maus group is trying to restore them, but it's probably
based on the American files.Barbara
I have read often about the Bremen lists being destroyed. Must be the
case.It's my understanding that through the years they were destroyed to make
room for more current records. It had nothing to do with a war.Mona
Since 1832 passenger lists had to be archived in Bremen.
In 1875 the Bremen Senat decided to destroy all listings except those of the last two years. The cause was lack of space in the archive of the city hall.
Already in 1895 the police collected new listings, but only from german emigrants.
In 1907 the decision from 1875 was abolished and passenger listings were archived again, now in the Bremen State Archives.
Between 1941 and 1944 archive material was saved in a salt mine in Bernburg/Saale, so the passenger listings from 1920 to 1939. All other listings were destroyed by a bombing of the State Archives in 1944.
The "Bremen Passenger Lists 1920-1939" became a project of the Maus, the Society for Family Research in Bremen.
see at http://www.passengerlists.de
Greetings from Bremen
Karl (Wesling)
R&B Stewart wrote:
Mona,
I didn't mention the war.
Hi Barb,
You didn't mention anything about war, but the previous poster, the one you replied to, had mentioned that she'd heard the departure records from Bremen had been destroyed during the war. I was trying to clarify it for her.
Sorry my message wasn't clearer about that.
Mona
Lieb HannoverL,
I believe passengers lists were created at departure as well as on arrival. This might not hold true in all cases or in all years but I have noticed this in some cases. I think this is why one might a slight variance of dates on various passenger list databases.
Ich glaube, da� Passagierlisten an der Abfahrt sowie auf Ankunft hergestellt wurden. Dieses konnte nicht zutreffend halten in allen F�llen oder in allen Jahren, aber ich habe dieses in einigen F�llen beachtet. Ich denke deshalb eine Macht eine geringf�gige Abweichung der Daten an den verschiedenen Passagierlistedatenbanken.
Many of the New Orleans passenger list Port of Bremen as point of origin. The departure list perhaps was destroyed but the arrival list may still exist.
Viele des New-Orleans Passagierliste Tores von Bremen als Punkt von Ursprung. Die Abfahrtliste m�glicherweise wurde zerst�rt, aber die Ankunft Liste kann ruhig bestehen.
Barbie-Lew
P.S. Might be redundant reply. If so... Please Forgive.
P.S. Sein konnte �berfl�ssige Antwort. Wenn so... Verzeihen Sie Bitte.
Mona,
That okay!
Barbara
A slip here, a stumble there. To err is human, to forgive .... (how does that old saying end?)
I erred myself in my own closing remark, forgetting to put a negating clause - in this case, the word NOT- in the sentence between two HADs, thus jumbling much of the (intended) meaning. Oh silly me.
[Corrected]
It might be worth keeping in mind that very little in regards to records and historical treasures would have survived the Allied bombing campaigns had German officials - Nazi or otherwise - NOT had the foresight to hide much of what they had in caves. By 1945, every imaginable target, large and small, was up for game. By that point, overkill knew no bounds.
Proving time and again, we subsist as mere mortals in Shakespeare's shadow!
Back to the peasant munch. Jb