I am interested in a John (Johannes?) Kemper from Wulften near Badbergen, who went to the USA around 1833 and lived in Baltimore in 1841. I have this information about him from a letter his cousin William (Hermann Wilhelm) Hunderdosse, who emigrated to the US about 1834, wrote to his brother Frederick (Gerhard Friedrich), who was living in Greenwich (London) at the time. William writes that their mothers are sisters.
Now William and Fredericks mother was Anna Christina Maria Feldforth or Veltfort (Langen 1778 - Quakenbr�ck abt 1848), daughter of Gerdt Feldforth (born Gast) and Catharina Maria Wehriede. I know about one sister, Anna Catrina Feldforth born 1773. Would she be John Kemper's mother, or would that be a sister still unknown to me? And what was John's father's name?
Grateful for any help,
Paul Boelens
Hello Paul,
I take it you're from the Netherlands? This is just a bit of
information for starters and it may mean nothing. There is this:
J.F. Hunderdose,(spelled as it is in the Census of 1860) , age 48 (born
about 1812) a farmer, listed as from Saxony
Wife Martha 35, Kids Fred W, Anna., G.F, Edward, Mary, Rosa and
Philip The spelling is not the same as you have it. That is common.
G. Honderdosse, from Quackenbruck , age 19 on Feb 2, 1837 on ship
Brig Ulysses to Baltimore
This is probably not that helpful, but I�ll send more later.
Barbara
Hello Paul,
I made a mistake on the first page I sent. J.R. Hunderdose was listed as
from Hannover, not Saxony. His wife was born in England and so were the
first 6 children. The last, Phillip, was born in Iowa. The are living in the
Dallas township of Marion County, Iowa at the time of the 1860 census.
There is another man in the 1860 census named William Hunderdose, (the
spelling is very unclear) living in the Franklin township in Marion County
Iowa. He is 45, a farmer and lives alone. He says he was born in Saxony(?)
You should look at the Mormon website and do a search for Hunderdosse -
there are tons of them listed, but for very early times. They are mostly
listed as from Quackenbruck. Look here:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
Look for: Gerhard Veltfort This is a little messy here so just use what
you find on the website itself. This is the 1880 census.
Gerhard VELTFORT Self M Male W 40 HANO
Printer HANO HANO
Dora VELTFORT Wife M Female W 32 HESS D
Keeping House HESS D
Herman VELTFORT Son S Male W 4 NY
HANO HESS D
Anna VELTFORT Dau S Female W 2 NY HANO
HESS D HANO HESS D
Anna VELTFORT Sister S Female W 25 HANO
Keeping House HANO HANO
There are two Anna Veltforts � could be sisters, but with two different
mothers. I would think the 25 year old would be the sister of the father.
This is just a maybe anyway.
I�ve found quite a few John Kempers - I have access to the census from
1860 on. I�ll look up anything you might want.
Barbara
Hello Paul,
Dear Barbara,
Thanks for your reaction. There seems to be little doubt that the man called
J.F. (or J.R. as you write in your second mail) Hunerdosse in the 1860
census was actually the man who was called Gerhard Friedrich Hunderdosse
when a child and a young man in Quakenbr�ck, (where indeed he was born in
1812), and who later, when working in London for a shipping and insurance
agency, was called Frederick Hunerdosse. His wife was indeed Martha (Lock),
whom he married in Bermondsey (Surrey, UK) in 1839, and the names of the
children were also known to me. The family emigrated to the USA in 1855
where Frederick bought a farm in Iowa a year later. I found the family in
the 1870 and 1880 census; the 1860 census is new to me and completes the
picture, although the info it contains was not new.
I am still interested in the Hunderdosse (Germany) / Hunerdosse (USA) /
Hoenderdos/Honderdors (NL) family, but am not on a dead end there. Together
with an American friend (almost certainly distant cousin) we are still
working on our early 17th century Hunderdosse ancestors in Quakenbr�ck. The
sources are not yet exhausted, but if you have anything about them (apart
from the LDS records) both she and myself would be very happy. Particularly
we would like to find out whether these Quakenbr�ck Hunderdosse family is
related to the Hundertosse family in Hameln, who had been living there from
(before) 1389.
Where, for now, we really are on a dead end, is the relation between the
Hunderdosse and Kemper families. That was the reason for my posting on
Hannover-L. Like you, I found a lot of John Kempers, but still not the right
one, who, at least in 1841, lived in Baltimore, and was born in Wulften near
Badbergen, a few miles south of Quakenbr�ck. William writes that John is
doing well in Baltimore and has supported him (morally? financially??
William doesn't say) in his decision to become a Lutheran minister (William
had been a teacher until 1839 and was now completing his education at the
Lutheran seminary in Gettysburg). So if you, or anybody else has anything
about this John Kemper, either in Germany or in the USA, that would
certainly help!
Hoping for more,
Paul Boelens
(Netherlands)
Hello Paul,
Are you aware of this website:
http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/
There are archives of all sorts. Put in a few words, and you will find a
lot of Kemper returns. Of course, Kemper is a common name.
I'll continue to hunt around.
Good luck,
Barbara
Dear Barbara,
Yes, I certainly am. That's where I found those old Hameln Hundertosse's,
who may or may not be the ancestors of the Quakenbr�cker Hunderdosse family.
I was disappointed however by not finding "my" John Kemper in the otherwise
most useful emigrant file of the Niedersachsen archives, although the time
of his emigration is known to within a year, or may-be two.
I am curious to know if you have a personal interest in one of the families
I mentioned.
Regards,
Paul Boelens
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