Johann Dotzler of Bavaria

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Hallo Zusammen,

könnte jemand diese E-Mail an die Bayern-Liste oder andere professionelle Foren weiterleiten, da ich selbst dort nicht Mitglied bin?

Mein Freund aus Kanada, Gerry McDonald, sucht den Herkunftsort seines Vorfahren Johann Dotzlers aus Bayern, der 1846 nach Amerika ausgewandert ist. Alle Auswanderer aus Bayern vor 1850 wurden wohl in Registern erfasst, die nach wie vor in Passau, Regensburg und Würzburg einzusehen sind. Eine direkte Anfrage an die Behörden scheiterte wohl, aber ein "professioneller" Forscher hat die Herkunft ermittelt, möchte aber 300 $ für diese Auskunft!

Gerry ist durchaus bereit, die Recherche angemessen zu bezahlen, aber 300 $ sind wohl in der Tat etwas zu viel.

Wenn diese E-Mail an die entsprechenden Experten, die Zugang zu den bayrischen Archiven haben, weitergeleitet werden kann und sich jemand bereit erklärt, Gerry zu helfen, wäre ich Euch sehr dankbar.

Die Antwort bitte direkt an: gm65@mts.net

Mit bestem Dank im voraus und vielen Grüßen aus dem Norden,

Björn (Sassenberg)

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Dear Bjorn,

I wonder if Gerry McDonald might know the wherabouts in America his ancestors settled? Perhaps by looking at the ancestors, community they settled, the extended family in America might provide clues that verify the locality they were from.

Husband would kill me if I spent $300.00 dollars on documents, especially if I were not certain the records I am after really belonged to my own ancestors....and that is beside the fact that $300.00 is nearly my car insurance for six months...

Hallo Zusammen,

k�nnte jemand diese E-Mail an die Bayern-Liste oder andere professionelle Foren weiterleiten, da ich selbst dort nicht Mitglied bin?

Mein Freund aus Kanada, Gerry McDonald, sucht den Herkunftsort seines Vorfahren Johann Dotzlers aus Bayern, der 1846 nach Amerika ausgewandert ist. Alle Auswanderer aus Bayern vor 1850 wurden wohl in Registern erfasst, die nach wie vor in Passau, Regensburg und W�rzburg einzusehen sind. Eine direkte Anfrage an die Beh�rden scheiterte wohl, aber ein "professioneller" Forscher hat die Herkunft ermittelt, m�chte aber 300 $ f�r diese Auskunft!

Gerry ist durchaus bereit, die Recherche angemessen zu bezahlen, aber 300 $ sind wohl in der Tat etwas zu viel.

Wenn diese E-Mail an die entsprechenden Experten, die Zugang zu den bayrischen Archiven haben, weitergeleitet werden kann und sich jemand bereit erkl�rt, Gerry zu helfen, w�re ich Euch sehr dankbar.

Die Antwort bitte direkt an: gm65@mts.net

Mit bestem Dank im voraus und vielen Gr��en aus dem Norden,

Bj�rn (Sassenberg)

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Hello Bjorn,
     
       You may be paying more than $300 when it's all said and done!
Bavaria is quite large and it would take some time for a researcher to look
in all those places. First of all, have you researched absolutely all
church and civil records for your family? Did they marry in the U.S. or in
Bavaria (Bayern)?
       You may be able to contact archives yourself. Check this website:

http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/wiki/Bavaria_Archives

      The Catholic church in Bavaria has rarely allowed the LDS to copy
records. We went to the Wurzburg diocesan archives and it is quite a
challenge. We found the script is unbelievably difficult to read--unlike
any I have seen in other parts of Germany. In my opinion, you should be
sure of every bit of evidence in the U.S. first. You've probably done that.
Then try to contact the various civil and church archives and see if you can
find anyone to point you to the particular part of Germany or better yet,
the particular parish. Then, hire the researcher if need be.

    I myself have a dead-end in Bavaria and I've not yet found a way to go
further. The family emigrated came from Mittelstreu in the Wurzburg diocese.
On my visit to the Catholic diocese to do research , I found one side of the
family (Halbig) and struggled with the other side - unbelievable script for
the Liebst family. I thought I had found the right person--I didn't realize
that he actually was born in another town nearby. Another relative
contacted 3 different persons in the U.S. who know German, and no one could
read it. Finally, another relative contacted a man in the Passau region and
he was astounded that we could not read the script. His email address is
R.Riepl@t-online.de He is an expert in that region and actually provided
the whole family tree on the other side of the family which came from the
Passau area. Maybe he could guide you where to look.

Good luck,
Barbara

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(Auf deutsch weiter unten)

Dear Barbie, dear Barbara and dear John,

thank you all for your answers in the Hanover-List. To all the other members of the list, I do want to apologize to discuss a Bavarian theme in this list. But since I'm not member of the Bavaria-list and since my question was more generally, I hope everyone, who is not interested in this topic, will simply ignore this e-mails.

I just wanted to make some things clear. In my understanding, there exist CENTRAL registration-lists for all emigrants from Bavaria prior 1850. Since the date of the emigration is well known (1846), Gerry McDonald (not me!) wanted the information from such a list, to find the birth place of Johann Dotzler. And for this, 300 $ seems a little bit too much.

I hope, someone is able to confirm my assumption, that there exist central registration-lists for all emigrants from Bavaria.

So far, kindly regards from Langenhagen, Germany,

Bj�rn

(deutsch)

Liebe Barbie, liebe Barbara und lieber John,

danke f�r all Eure Antworten zu dem bayrischen Thema in der Hannover-Liste. Bei allen anderen Listenteilnehmern m�chte ich mich entschuldigen, so ein bayrisches Thema in dieser Liste zu diskutieren. Da ich aber kein Mitglied der Bayern-Liste bin und meine Frage eher allgemein gehalten war, hoffe ich, dass alle, die das Thema nicht interessiert, einfach dar�ber hinweg sehen.

Ich wollte eine Kleinigkeit richtig stellen. Nach meinem Verst�ndnis, existieren zentrale Listen aller aus Bayern ausgewanderten Personen vor 1850. Da das Datum der Auswanderung gut bekannt ist (1846), war es Gerry McDonalds (und nicht meine!) Intention, den Eintrag aus eben einer dieser Listen zu bekommen, um dadurch den Geburtsort von Johann Dotzler zu erfahren. Und daf�r sind 300 � wirklich zu viel.

Ich hoffe, mir kann irgend jemand best�tigen, dass es eine solche zentrale Liste f�r alle Auswanderer aus Bayern gibt.

So weit, viele Gr��e aus Langenhagen,

Bj�rn

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Bj�rn Sassenberg wrote:

I just wanted to make some things clear. In my understanding, there exist CENTRAL registration-lists for all emigrants from Bavaria prior 1850. Since the date of the emigration is well known (1846), Gerry McDonald (not me!) wanted the information from such a list, to find the birth place of Johann Dotzler. And for this, 300 $ seems a little bit too much.

Bj�rn: If this is the case, everything you have stated makes perfect sense. And I agree; that kind of money for that kind of information seems excessive. All the more so if it is little more than a reference from a centralized database. Perhaps one of the German genealogists on the list will know more about this, and can pass it on to you. In any case, you are trying to help a friend, and that speaks for itself.

Barbara: We're both in agreement that family history makes for a great pastime in almost every way, short of the expenses and time required to do it well. If it weren't for the rewards and knowledge that follow, I'd have thrown in the towel long ago. If nothing else, it proves we possess a high threshold for torment. lol :slight_smile:

Same goes with relations who share little interest or passion in this regard. When I was younger I simply couldn't understand it. But as the years go by, it becomes easier to recognize your own naivety. To each their own sums it up right.

Congrats on your British breakthrough. Good things come when you refuse to quit! :wink:

Jb

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Hi Jb,

so we agree :wink: In the meantime I subscribed to the Bavaria-list and I got more answers than I could dream of. We got all the information we wanted about the emigration and place of origin of Johann Dotzler. For FREE.

So sind wir einer Meinung. In der Zwischenzeit habe ich mich doch bei der Bayern-Liste angemeldet. Ich wurde von Antworten f�rmlich �berschwemmt. Wir haben alle Informationen zu der Auswanderung und dem Herkunftsort Johann Dotzlers bekommen. UMSONST!

Kindly regards, viele Gr��e

Bj�rn

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lol. They say good things come to those who wait (but don't wait too long).

That is top notch news Bj�rn! w00t

Is there a sweeter or prettier word in any language than FREE? :wink:

MFG mate. Jb

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BYU is in the process of transcribing emigration requests and related papers for various countries. See

http://immigrants.byu.edu/DesktopDefault.aspx

for more information about this wonderful project.

Regards,
Sylvia