Ancestry doesn't provide a picture of the record, other than the
information I sent. But the WI Genweb sites may have transcriptions done that could
provide add'l info.
In a message dated 3/26/2010 3:33:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jackbandy40@gmail.com writes:
This sounds interesting. Does the record offer an age? Does it say where he
was born? Was he living alone or in a family? Does he appear in a later
census in the same area? I see that in the 1880 census, there were 2
individuals living in NE Wisconsin (Manitowoc area) with this name (Joseph
Burkhart). One was born 1852, the other 1853. And a Joseph Borchert of
Manitowoc (son of Sebastian Borchert & Cecilia Schlender) married in 1887.
I
would need more info to determine whether the J.B. that you found is the
same man as the one who married ca. 1855 in Brookfield (not exactly in the
Manitowoc area, but a move to the Milwaukee area would be theoretically
possible, of course).
Thanks, Jack
This is in the 1855 WI state census. Perhaps you need to expand your
search for earlier records to another county. I don't know if the WI
records
contain add'l info.Name: Joseph Burkhardt State: WI County: Manitowoc County
Township:
Eaton Year: 1855 Page: 109 Database: WI 1855 State Census Index
*****************In a message dated 3/26/2010 2:44:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jackbandy40@gmail.com writes:Thanks a lot, Linda - I'll try following-up on the tips you gave.
> I looked briefly at the 1819 census for Mecklenburg in
Ancestry........and
> there are a lot of Borchardt's. You could use that list of towns
as
a
> guide for checking out the availability of films of the church books
at
the
> LDS libraries. THeir library catalog is online to make the search
easier.
> You can do the same for the 1860 Mecklenburg census, using Joachim's
DOB
> as
> a guide........looking for siblings that possibly didn't immigrate.
But
> that would tell you the main places where you can find that family
name.
>
> Check the WI genweb site to see if the naturalization records are
housed
by
> state or county.
>
> Do you know what year he immigrated?
>
> Does WI Genweb have anything on Waukesha county that describes early
> settlers?
> If he owned land, there might be something that would zero in on date
of
> immigration (was there any type of residency requirement back then, or
> could
> people who were not naturalized buy/own land?)
>
> If you can determine the range of time for immigration, it will help.
>
> Linda
> ******************************
>
> In a message dated 3/26/2010 2:07:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jackbandy40@gmail.com writes:
>
> Hi Jazmyne, thanks for checking-out Neubukow for me. A variation of
> "Borchert" would be "Borchardt" or even "Burckhardt" (S. Ger.), but
prob.
> not "Borkholdt". The Lautverschiebeng from R to L would be too big
of a
> leap. So the J.H.C.Borkholdt is prob. not my man.
> I can try to contact the church in Brookfield again and check on
where
> others from Mecklenburg came from. I do know that people from
Pomerania
> were
> there also, so it was a bit mixed.
> Early church records from SE Wisconsin seem to begin around the time
he
> must
> have married (1855), but mostly later. I did check out a site
covering
old
> church records in Waukesha Co., but it didn't seem to be
all-encompassing.
> My Joachim Borchert's birthplace did definitely not appear in his
death
> record, neither the church, nor the civil record (I have a copy of
both).
> Naturalization records I have not checked-out. Where should I look?
> Again thanks very much for your comments & advice. Jack
>
>
> > I have copies of the church books for NeuBukow, Mecklenburg
Schwerin
> back
> > to 1787. I started looking at 1821, and have moved forward. I
have
no
> > way
> > of knowing if this is the correct person you are searching for,
but I
> > figured I'd pass it on:
> >
> > Joachim Heinrich Christoph BORKHOLDT
> > b 17 Aug 1825
> > bp 21 Aug 1825
> > father Friedrich BORKHOLDT, of Panzow
> > mother Dorothea geb GASTMEYER
> >
> > There are no other names similar to that thru 1830. So you can
> eliminate
> > NeuBukow from your search list.
> >
> > You might try finding the towns for some of his neighbors, since
the
> early
> > immigrants tended to ''clump''....probably so they could understand
each
> > other's dialect.
> >
> > On one of the German genealogy websites, there is a database that
can
> tell
> > you where certain names appeared in the early church records. You
may
> have
> > to search for this, since I don't remember where I found it.
> >
> > I've also found that the US church records, often recorded the
birth
> place
> > on their death records.
> >
> > Have you found his naturalization records? Sometimes if you can
find
> out
> > which king he is not swearing any alliegence to, might help you
narrow
> your
> > search.
> >
> > In a message dated 3/26/2010 8:37:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > jackbandy40@gmail.com writes:
> >
> > Hi Melanie R
> > No, I do not know from where in Mecklenburg he came from. Yes,
> Mecklenburg
> > (prob. -Schwerin) is very big. And precisely therein lies my
problem.
> > That's
> > why I made the request for everyone who happens to be working on
the
> > church
> > books of a place in Mecklenburg, to check in those records if my
> Joachim
> > Borchert is there. I was hoping that I might get lucky and be able
to
> > avoid
> > going through each Kirchspiel, one after the other, until I found
him -
> > which would be, as you said, really time-consuming (&
expensive). As
to
> > whether he was born on that day or not, his wife (also from
> Mecklenburg,
> > but
> > came over separately, with her first husband) died around the same
> time.
> > In her death record, her date-of-birth and birthplace were
mentioned
> and I
> > was able to confirm that both were correct. Also, her father's
birth
> date
> > &
> > birthplace were mentioned in his death record. And I was able to
> confirm
> > that that was correct also. So I have no reason to suspect that
> Joachim's
> > stated date-of-birth is false.
> > I had hoped to find his marriage record (must have been ca. 1855,
based
> on
> > the ages of the children - both from her first marriage, as well
as
> from
> > her
> > marriage to Joachim Borchert), but that has proved to be a dead
end
> too.
> > The
> > church they belonged to in Brookfield was founded first later and
they
> > don't
> > know of any earlier churches in the area. As far as a civil record
> goes, I
> > checked the website for the Waukesha County Register of Deeds.
They
> have a
> > section for all the early records which can be viewed on-line,
but
it's
> > not
> > there either.
> > As for the departure list, maybe you can let me know where I can
look
> for
> > that. Most of the lists I've seen up till now seem to offer only
very
> > general info about from where the immigrants came.
> > Yes, it does look like I'm looking for eine Nadel im Heuhaufen.
But,
> maybe
> > that's just Schicksal. A challenge to be overcome. In any case,
he's
> the
> > only one left of my emigrant/immigrant ancestors who was born in
> Europe
> > and
> > died in America, where I have not been able to find out in which
> Ortschaft
> > he or she was born. Once he's found, then there'll be no more
empty
> spaces
> > on the Ahnentafel.
> > Thanks for the advice. Sincerely, Jack Bandy
> >
> >
> > > Jack,
> > > Do you know where about he was from? Mecklenburg is still quite
big
> and
> > > there is (as far as I know) no such thing as ONE
Geburtsregister.
> That
> > > would
> > > make our research so much easier though. Going through every
single
> > church
> > > book is really time consuming and I doubt that it is quaranteed
that
> he
> > was
> > > born that day. On top of that Borchardt is not really an
uncommon
> name
> > > which
> > > makes it hard to say he could be from this or that part of
> Mecklenburg.
> > >
> > > So what other information can you provide? When did he
immigrate?
If
> he
> > is
> > > already in a 1860 census, he will not be listed in the
Mecklenburg
> > Census
> > > from 1867. The last one before that was in 1819 and Joachim was
not
> born
> > > yet. It looks like you are looking for the famous needle in the
hay
> > stack
> > > (German expression: die Nadel im Heuhaufen suchen). Did you
check
the
> > > departure list? Maybe you will find his birth town/village in
there.
> > >
> > > Greetings from Germany,
> > > Melanie
> > >
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: mecklenburg-l-bounces@genealogy.net
> > > [mailto:mecklenburg-l-bounces@genealogy.net] Im Auftrag von
jack
> bandy
> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. März 2010 21:51
> > > An: Mecklenburg-L@genealogy.net
> > > Betreff: [M-L] Joachim Borchert
> > >
> > > Hi everyone.
> > > I'm looking for my ancestor, Joachim Borchert (Borchardt). In
his
> death
> > > record (Brookfield, Wisconsin, USA) it is mentioned that his
birth
> > (poss.
> > > baptism) date is 3. Dec. 1826. In the U.S. Census records of
1860
&
> > 1870,
> > > it
> > > is noted that he was from Mecklenburg. In those records, he is
> referred
> > to
> > > as "Joseph" (prob. because "Joachim" is an unusual name in
America.
> > > I was hoping that if any of you who are now working at the
moment
on
> > > Mecklenburg church books with a Geburtsregister covering his
> birthdate
> > (3.
> > > Dec. 1826) could look and see if it is there or not. It would
be