Hans Peter,
Thank you so much! Here is a little more information...
Carolina Sophia Christiana KOEPCKE oo Johann Friedrich LOEBEL
Carolina's parents: Hans Joachim KOEPCKE & Anna Catharina BOBZIEN
Some new information off the Ribnitz stadt book... on her birth/baptismal
record from Ribnitz stadt, it is written under her father's name: ? in
Hirschburg. the ? I believe was her father's occupation. One godparent is
a BOBZIEN relative from Goldberg , one I cannot read the name but it begins
with K and is also from Goldberg, for the third godparent is given both born
and married name, neither being familiar but it is stated that she is from
Blankenhagen or Klockenhagen... (the highs and lows are the same in the
writing, it appears the first vowel is an o but there is no c before the k,
studying the difference between the writing of the B in Bobzien and the K in
Koepcke I would say the first letter is K... thus probably Klockenhagen.)
> I am searching KOEPCKE and BOBZIEN... My KOEPCKE then goes to marry in
> Malchin (where there are many KOEPCKE, but apparently not mine)
What makes you sure about that ?
I first found Carolina in the Mormon's IGI and that said Carolina was born
in Ribntiz. The marriage record of Carolina from IGI said Hirschburg. The
marriage I found at Malchin with a note that it was done at Hirschburg. On
the Malchin marriage record of Carolina it notes that her mother (BOBZIEN)
was from Hirschburg. There is no such note on her father (KOEPCKE). I do
speculate that the Malchin KOEPCKE are his people... relatives at least,
and perhaps that is how Carolina met her husband? But, I did not find her
in the confirmations or births, neither did I find her father.... yet. I am
still searching that film.
But then, perhaps I would find them at Goldberg? For Goldberg there are
records available from the Mormons.
Makes things not easier for you, but as from the map I see, the monastery
was in Ribnitz, what is nearer to Hirschburg then Damgarten, I would start
with
that Amt and work through the others later.
In the Ribnitz records I first ordered the Kloster records and found
absolutely nothing. I ordered the stadt films and found Carolina there as
the IGI said... but NO siblings, no parents, no marriage. I have a small
amount more to search on the film. It is not too hopeful, there are not
even others of the same surname on the film!
Malchin: the husband of Carolina:
Johann Friedrich LOEBEL
parents Hermann George LOEBEL & Sophia Hellmina BAARS
In Malchin it was strange finding so many KOEPCKE on the Malchin films when
I had just found none on the Ribnitz film. But I was not searching for
KOEPCKE, I was searching for LOEBEL. It is the same in Malchin for LOEBEL
as in Ribnitz for KOEPCKE, there are not many LOEBEL on the films! I find
the birth, notation of marriage, and the children... and I have another
problem...
I have found Johann Friedrich's birth in 1804. My records showed that he
married Carolina in 1836, that seemed a bit late so I started earlier in the
records to check if it might have been a second marriage. I found what I
thought was a first marriage (through children's records) around 1828. I
found three children and then the children of Johann Friedrich and Carolina.
On one record, relatives of the wife of the first Johann Friedrich appeared
as godparents. However, there suddenly appears another child for the first
couple while the second couple are having children!!
There are only four LOEBELs on the Malchin books, the birth of my Johann
Friedrich 1804, the two Johann Friedrich's and a Dorothy who is the wife of
a man who is godfather to many of Johann Friedrich and Carolina's children.
She is having children at the same time as they are. From that I assume she
is the sister of my Johann Friedrich. I do not find any other births
besides my Johann Friedrich but he is born in 1804 and the book begins in
1804. Therefore, I imagined I needed to search the earlier film, which I
have not yet ordered. Meantime, I am not done searching and I hope to find
the records for the marriage of the other Johann Friedrich to clear up the
confusion. However, because these are the only LOEBEL there I am wondering
if I need to order a different film entirely?
When I went to look up other films for Malchin, there were 14 films! There
were four other small towns listed: Rittermanshagen (includes Landen),
Gorschendorf, Gielow, Baredow... and Volkszaehlungslisten 1819. The
Volks... 1819 might tell me where they were? Other than that, I do not know
which to order. My father-in-law told me that Johann Friedrich LOEBEL was a
master-baker in Malchin. I believe I will first order the earlier film and
see what I find... perhaps at least there will be a notation somewhere about
where they are from.
To know which of these films to order one
has to know where exactly the anchestor lived and the borders, which each
Amt
had. >
And with each film choice having several possible films to order it is
prohibitive to order them all... now I will wait and look for other clues to
help me know. Meanwhile I think the films I should order first would be
the earlier films for Malchin and the films for Goldberg?!
Thanks again,
Carola Jesse
familyjesse@sbcglobal.net