Help with a brick wall

Hello all,

Like many, I am trying to trace my family back as far as possible.
According to the 1870 census in Illinois William(Wilhelm) Zimmermann was
70 and his wife Doris was 56. They also listed a son Albert who was 26.
All list their country of origin as Hanover. I have not been able to
find any information previous to this. However, Albert Zimmermann
purchased some land in 1873 and he listed the number of years in the US
as 15 years, which would put his emigration at about 1858. I actually
have the original document, so I know the source is correct. I have
found another family tree that lists Wilhelm's spouse as Margarethe
Eleanora Dorothe Meier, but there is no source to support these being
the same individuals. Another piece of information I have to go on is
that there is a family tradition of naming the first born son after the
grandfather, and this holds true from my uncle William and my
grandfather Albert all the way to Wilhelm born about 1800.

If anyone could provide any help at all, suggestions or hints It would
be greatly appreciated.

Travis Zimmerman(n)

Hi Travis,

Have you tried looking at church records for Albert and his parents? if you can figure out where they went to church, and find some sort of record, such as marriage or burial, the church record may have the exact town location in Hannover. (As I am finally admitting with my own family, Hanover usually means not the city but the old Kingdom of Hanover, which is a very large area.) On one of my branches, a church burial record led me to the family's original village.

You should also check whether he became a naturalized citizen, and find his "first papers" which may also give you more info on his town of origin, or the name of the ship he came on.

Good luck,
Janet C

You have a lot of work to do in the USA, Travis, before jumping to resources in Germany; and in accumulating information in the USA, and reading this list faithfully, you will find many clues to your Hanover heritage.

You are very fortunate to be researching an Illinois family. You have wonderful resources close at hand!

Online there is a statewide marriage index on the secretary of state web site that will give you all the information you need to send for copies of all your ancestors' marriage certificates which, depending on time and place, may give parents' names, places of birth for bride and groom, occupations, previous marriages, etc. Also check for and send for their siblings' certificates, which sometimes give you a lot more and better information -- again depending on the time and place and person taking down the information.

Online there is also an index of Illinois deaths from the state archives, which will also give you all the information you need to start collecting your ancestors' and their siblings' death certificates -- and the vast wealth of information those contain.

Illinois also has regional archives depositories -- state records that are stored at the regional state university libraries such as Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago, Illinois State University at Bloomington-Normal, etc. These regional archive repositories store records for the particular region in which they are located -- so that, for instance, if you live in Chicago but you are researching ancestors in Bloomington, you would go to that web site and then call, email or visit the regional depository in Bloomington at Illinois State University.

Their collections vary to some extent depending upon which records exist in each region. In Cook County, for instance, the only 19th century voter registrations that exist are for 1889-1891 in the City of Chicago. Another regional repository might have voter registrations from 1850 or earlier, but perhaps only for one or two of the five or six counties in that region.

So you have to do footwork to reach your own family in their own time.

Use the mailing lists at rootsweb.com and the genealogical and historical web sites for the cities and counties in Illinois where you are searching. Read and ask your questions there. They are often wonderful resources -- as well as occasionally turning up another researcher who will share information and leads with you!

Church records are also a good suggestion. Once you know where they lived at various times and when and where they were buried, you can go to www.familysearch.org and seek out the online catalog to look for microfilms of all their religious records -- baptisms, confirmations, marriages, etc. from the churches you know that or guess that they attended from all the information you have gathered on the marriage and death certificates.

Often the church records have more information than the civil records, and just as often they do not. Again, in records, all depends on the time and the place and the care taken by the officials involved in recording the events.

And beware: those who were Lutheran in Germany may have attended a Baptist or Methodist church in Illinois -- or no church at all -- if there was no Lutheran church for 20 miles around!

At the family search web site you will look for a list of FAMILY HISTORY CENTERS in order to find the location nearest to your home where you can access those microfilms of the church records you want. Go there with all the information you can copy from the online listing for each church you seek. They may have some or all of your films on hand at your center. Or you can request that they rent those films for you, one or two at a time, for a very nominal fee.

Swiss, Germans and Scandinavians often came with "references" from their pastors at home and these are sometimes recorded on the microfilms, also.

Good luck!

Maureen

Hi Travis:
   I agree with Janet, Rena and Maureen. It is almost impossible to do
   any research in Germany if you don't have the name of a church, town,
   or some specific bit of information which identifies the home of your
   ancestors. I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, but most
   of the information that list members have is provided is good. There
   is one problem area in Chicago: That is the 1871 fire. One pastor
   grabbed most of his records and ran. They are available, but I don't
   have the URL available right now.
   Oh! An item of interest! Mrs O'leary. Was her poor cow to blame?
   Currently, the most popular story is a peglegged drunkard fell down in
   the barn and dropped his pipe and bottle of booze.
   Putting that aside. my grandmother's brother was born in Chicago in
   1871. We have never been able to find any records confirming it.
   But---after obtaining all the county records of my Grandfather's and
   Grandmother's marriage, I did not persue that avenue any further, until
   I passed by a older Lutheran church in the county seat. I went in to
   look at their records thinking "what would they contain that I don't
   know"? What I found out was that those records contained both their
   home towns in Germany. The information was in a Church I had driven
   past many many times. Don't overlook the obvious. Also, in looking at
   that church's records in general, I noted that all of them were very
   specific as to the peoples home town, and contained a lot of
   information about the people who were at the wedding. In many cases
   those people attending the "event" were from the same town in Germany,
   it may pay to do a little research on them. The names in 1880 census
   for the township where my Grandparents lived looked a lot like the 1852
   census from their hometown in Germany.
   Good luck,
   Gale

     You have a lot of work to do in the USA, Travis, before jumping to
     resources in Germany; and in accumulating information in the USA,
     and reading this list faithfully, you will find many clues to your
     Hanover heritage.
     You are very fortunate to be researching an Illinois family. You
     have wonderful resources close at hand!
     Online there is a statewide marriage index on the secretary of state
     web site that will give you all the information you need to send for
     copies of all your ancestors' marriage certificates which, depending
     on time and place, may give parents' names, places of birth for
     bride and groom, occupations, previous marriages, etc. Also check
     for and send for their siblings' certificates, which sometimes give
     you a lot more and better information -- again depending on the time
     and place and person taking down the information.
     Online there is also an index of Illinois deaths from the state
     archives, which will also give you all the information you need to
     start collecting your ancestors' and their siblings' death
     certificates -- and the vast wealth of information those contain.
     Illinois also has regional archives depositories -- state records
     that are stored at the regional state university libraries such as
     Northeastern Illinois University in Chicago, Illinois State
     University at Bloomington-Normal, etc. These regional archive
     repositories store records for the particular region in which they
     are located -- so that, for instance, if you live in Chicago but you
     are researching ancestors in Bloomington, you would go to that web
     site and then call, email or visit the regional depository in
     Bloomington at Illinois State University.
     Their collections vary to some extent depending upon which records
     exist in each region. In Cook County, for instance, the only 19th
     century voter registrations that exist are for 1889-1891 in the City
     of Chicago. Another regional repository might have voter
     registrations from 1850 or earlier, but perhaps only for one or two
     of the five or six counties in that region.
     So you have to do footwork to reach your own family in their own
     time.
     Use the mailing lists at rootsweb.com and the genealogical and
     historical web sites for the cities and counties in Illinois where
     you are searching. Read and ask your questions there. They are often
     wonderful resources -- as well as occasionally turning up another
     researcher who will share information and leads with you!
     Church records are also a good suggestion. Once you know where they
     lived at various times and when and where they were buried, you can
     go to [1]www.familysearch.org and seek out the online catalog to
     look for microfilms of all their religious records -- baptisms,
     confirmations, marriages, etc. from the churches you know that or
     guess that they attended from all the information you have gathered
     on the marriage and death certificates.
     Often the church records have more information than the civil
     records, and just as often they do not. Again, in records, all
     depends on the time and the place and the care taken by the
     officials involved in recording the events.
     And beware: those who were Lutheran in Germany may have attended a
     Baptist or Methodist church in Illinois -- or no church at all -- if
     there was no Lutheran church for 20 miles around!
     At the family search web site you will look for a list of FAMILY
     HISTORY CENTERS in order to find the location nearest to your home
     where you can access those microfilms of the church records you
     want. Go there with all the information you can copy from the online
     listing for each church you seek. They may have some or all of your
     films on hand at your center. Or you can request that they rent
     those films for you, one or two at a time, for a very nominal fee.
     Swiss, Germans and Scandinavians often came with "references" from
     their pastors at home and these are sometimes recorded on the
     microfilms, also.
     Good luck!
     Maureen
     > From: [2]caiside@comcast.net
     > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:48:40 -0400
     > To: [3]hannover-l@genealogy.net
     > Subject: Re: [HN] Help with a brick wall
     >
     > Hi Travis,
     >
     > Have you tried looking at church records for Albert and his
     parents? if you can figure out where they went to church, and find
     some sort of record, such as marriage or burial, the church record
     may have the exact town location in Hannover. (As I am finally
     admitting with my own family, Hanover usually means not the city but
     the old Kingdom of Hanover, which is a very large area.) On one of
     my branches, a church burial record led me to the family's original
     village.
     >
     > You should also check whether he became a naturalized citizen, and
     find his "first papers" which may also give you more info on his
     town of origin, or the name of the ship he came on.
     >
     > Good luck,
     > Janet C
     >
     >
     >
     > > Hello all,
     > >
     > > Like many, I am trying to trace my family back as far as
     possible.
     > > According to the 1870 census in Illinois William(Wilhelm)
     Zimmermann was
     > > 70 and his wife Doris was 56. They also listed a son Albert who
     was 26.
     > > All list their country of origin as Hanover. I have not been
     able to
     > > find any information previous to this. However, Albert
     Zimmermann
     > > purchased some land in 1873 and he listed the number of years in
     the US
     > > as 15 years, which would put his emigration at about 1858. I
     actually
     > > have the original document, so I know the source is correct. I
     have
     > > found another family tree that lists Wilhelm's spouse as
     Margarethe
     > > Eleanora Dorothe Meier, but there is no source to support these
     being
     > > the same individuals. Another piece of information I have to go
     on is
     > > that there is a family tradition of naming the first born son
     after the
     > > grandfather, and this holds true from my uncle William and my
     > > grandfather Albert all the way to Wilhelm born about 1800.
     > >
     > > If anyone could provide any help at all, suggestions or hints It
     would

All,

I greatly appreciate all of the information. I am currently trying to
track down which church they may have attended. Since I live 8 hours
from the town they lived in, it is a little more difficult. I have found
information from the Illinois State archives, death and marriage but
this information has only added as more source to known information.
Hopefully, I can stumble on to some further information to fill in some
gaps.

Again, thanks for all of the help!

Travis

My relatives in Illinois (my dad's dad side) came from Germany in 1893. Even
though they came the most recently of the various families, I could find
almost no information about them, they would always put just "Germany" on
census papers, etc. Then I went to http://newspaperarchive.com and I found
an obituary on my gr-grandfather that gave his whole life story. I found out
what town they were from, what he did for a living, what year they came to
the US, and just lots of information. All of my relatives settled in Mt
Prospect, IL, and my dad's mom's side of the family are credited with
settling the town. Reading all the old newspapers, which covered Mt Prospect
very well, I was able to find so much about so many relatives, it was almost
like getting to know them. The old newspapers would even cover when they
were hospitalized, when they took the train to Chicago or elsewhere, and all
kinds of things. I started using that source many years ago when it was very
inexpensive, but anyway, it really helped me a lot.

susan stier voth
(stier, busse, kirchhoff, behr, behrens)

Also note that many Germans were Evangelical Lutherans, and in the US, they may have attended the Reformed Church, which later merged to become the United Church of Christ. My German ancestors records were found in a UCC Church in Chicago I found it through detective work: the census pointed me to the marriage of my ancestor's nephew. I sent for the civil record, which gave me the minister's name. I used City Directories to figure out the church the minister was associated with--then I had to trace what happened to that particular church, because it is now UCC! I wrote to a church I thought it might be, and by luck the man who answered my letter remembered his mother used to refer to a certain church as "Lambrecht [the minister] 's church." In the end the long dig was worth it, because the church records yielded a burial record of my ancestor's mother, which told their village in Germany.

Now if I could just find his wife's village!

Janet C

And then hope that the spelling of the village is correct so that it can be found. I found out 4 years ago that my ggg grandfather was born around 1777 in 'Rikkers' Germany but no one that can tell me where this village or town is. Anna Marie Schmitz

That is a great source, I will take a look at it. And congratulations on
all of the information you found, that would be very exciting!

Travis