Hannover Schroeder family found!

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In January 2003 I asked for help in locating my gg grandparents who immigrated from Hannover to Indiana in, I thought, 1866. I had a copy of John Schrader's Declaration of Intent which was filed in Jackson County, Indiana on 30 Mar 1867. I knew, from census records that the family was in Jackson County in 1870 and 1880, and then I lost track of them. Several of you--Barbara, Joe, John and Gary--offered advice and help, and I read all the microfilm I could find for passenger lists from Bremen to Baltimore, but couldn't positively identify the family. All of the spelling variations and other muddled information were confusing, and I would give up periodically and then try again. Patience and perseverance finally paid off.

I am happy to report that I located the family through a daughter's Jackson County marriage license. The daughter and her husband, my gg grandparents, and a son were all together in Ripley County, IN. Information in later census records indicated the family immigrated in 1865, and I found their passenger list. They (Johann Hch., Catherine, Carl, Joh. Heinr., and Anna Marie Schroeder) sailed from Bremen on the ship Ocean, captained by B. Gaerdes, and arrived in Baltimore on 08 Nov 1865. I found them at Genealogy.com in the Germans to America, 1850-1874 list, and at Ancestry.com in the Baltimore Passenger and Immigration Lists, 1820-1872. The spelling is Schroeder on one list and Schroder on the other, and the information given is slightly different, but the basic information matches. I am so excited, and grateful to all who encouraged me to keep looking. I am now ordering death certificates, and hope to learn exactly where they lived in Hanover.

Now I have another question. I haven't found a transcription of that passenger list online. Does anyone know if a transcription is available, or do I need to order the microfilm to see if related families were with them? Also, I located the ship on the American Lloyd's Register of American and Foreign Shipping at the Mystic Seaport website, but there was not a picture available at that website. I would like to have a picture of the Ocean or a similar ship. My g grandfather died before I was born, but my cousins who knew him and have told me all those family stories we treasure, often express interest in the type of ship on which our Schroeder ancestors sailed. I would really like to find an example of such a ship to show them.

I apologize for the long message, but I hope other frustrated researchers will be encouraged to keep searching. And I especially want to thank the people who helped me.

Sandra Powell

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There's a book called "Ships of Our Ancestors" - you might want to try there for a picture of the Ocean. Regarding the entire passenger list for the Nov 8 crossing, you can get this from Ancestry. From the main page, click on the Search tab, then at the lower right side of the screen, click on the header for Immigration and Passenger lists (not any of the data bases listed below the header). On the next screen, simply leave the name fields blank, but enter the year - 1865 - the port of departure - Bremen - the port of arrival - Baltimore - and the name of the ship - Ocean. This will return a list of 309 passengers who were on the ship with the Schroeders.

Regards,
Sylvia

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Sandra Powell,
Go to the Palmer List of Merchant Vessels

You will find an oil painting of the ship Ocean and a description of the
ship.

I don't know where you live but if you are near one of the sites of the
National Archives (NARA) you will likely find there a microfilm of the
passenger list. If you have access to an LDS Family History Center you can
probably order the film.

Paul Scheele

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NARA passenger lists are available indeed from the LDS organization. You can search for and order the necessary films c/o your local FHC (and possibly online). If you really want to push it to the hilt, you could attempt to nab documentation of both ends of the crossing, the port of embarkation as well as the port of arrival. This is more a matter of luck (available resources being what they are), and will also be somewhat redundant should both be found. But the records are not necessarily rubber stamps of each other, as you will see if you compare them.

Jb

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Paul,

Perfect. This is exactly what I needed. Thanks so much.

I rented the LDS film when I first went through the various ships list, but I don't think I renewed them enough times for the films to have been retained at the local family history center. Another lister told me how to pull up the Ocean's passenger list on Ancestry.com so I can check the other passengers.

Sandra Powell

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Sylvia,

Thanks for sharing that tip with me. I can start going through the list now and not have to wait for an LDS microfilm order. Another on the list gave me the URL for a website with a picture of an oil painting and a description of the Ocean, so I've had a good day!

I really appreciate your help.

Sandra

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Jb

I'm sure I will be reading LDS microfilm soon. I can believe that the embarkation information would be somewhat different, because the information from Genealogy.com and Ancestry.com differed. Genealogy.com provided the captain's name, which helped to locate more information about the ship. At some point, I'm sure I will want to get a copy of the passenger list image from the microfilm. Yes, I can be a tad obsessive. <smile>

Some of the family are buried in a Lutheran cemetery, so I have written to the church to see if they have information about the Schroeders. I hope there is information somewhere that will give me their original location in Hannover. My grandmother's family is my only line that is not English-speaking, so future research will be a new challenge. Fortunately, I have a friend who can translate German documents.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll check to see if the Bremen records are available. I have read that many of those records were destroyed.

Sandra

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Congratulations to you!

       You certainly have worked hard at a very difficult search.
Schroeder, Schröder, Schrader !!! Such a common German name. I can't
remember the details of your family. John and Catherine were the parents of
Carl, John Henry, and Anna Marie, right? Do you have approximate ages on
any of them? Also, where did they settle in this country? And what
religion were they? I have been snooping around, but a little more
information would help. You probably included those details in your
previous inquiry in 2003. You've done well - maybe one of the death
certificates will hold the information on birthplace. One can only hope!

Barbara

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Hi- I am also looking for information on my Schroeder
family that came from the Hannover area of Germany,
but do not know the city. The two brothers came at
different times to SE MN around the Chatfield-
Fountain area. Wilhelm Schroder came in about 1879 and
his brother Fred Schroeder came in about 1881. This is
all I know as to how they got to the USA. Do you see
any matches with your family? Gerry

In January 2003 I asked for help in locating my gg
grandparents who immigrated from Hannover to Indiana
in, I thought, 1866. I had a copy of John Schrader's
Declaration of Intent which was filed in Jackson
County, Indiana on 30 Mar 1867. I knew, from census
records that the family was in Jackson County in
1870 and 1880, and then I lost track of them.
Several of you--Barbara, Joe, John and Gary--offered
advice and help, and I read all the microfilm I
could find for passenger lists from Bremen to
Baltimore, but couldn't positively identify the
family. All of the spelling variations and other
muddled information were confusing, and I would give
up periodically and then try again. Patience and
perseverance finally paid off.

I am happy to report that I located the family
through a daughter's Jackson County marriage
license. The daughter and her husband, my gg
grandparents, and a son were all together in Ripley
County, IN. Information in later census records
indicated the family immigrated in 1865, and I found
their passenger list. They (Johann Hch., Catherine,
Carl, Joh. Heinr., and Anna Marie Schroeder) sailed
from Bremen on the ship Ocean, captained by B.
Gaerdes, and arrived in Baltimore on 08 Nov 1865. I
found them at Genealogy.com in the Germans to
America, 1850-1874 list, and at Ancestry.com in the
Baltimore Passenger and Immigration Lists,
1820-1872. The spelling is Schroeder on one list
and Schroder on the other, and the information given
is slightly different, but the basic information
matches. I am so excited, and grateful to all who
encouraged me to keep looking. I am now ordering
death certificates, and hope to learn exactly where
they lived in Hanover.

Now I have another question. I haven't found a
transcription of that passenger list online. Does
anyone know if a transcription is available, or do I
need to order the microfilm to see if related
families were with them? Also, I located the ship
on the American Lloyd's Register of American and
Foreign Shipping at the Mystic Seaport website, but
there was not a picture available at that website.
I would like to have a picture of the Ocean or a
similar ship. My g grandfather died before I was
born, but my cousins who knew him and have told me
all those family stories we treasure, often express
interest in the type of ship on which our Schroeder
ancestors sailed. I would really like to find an
example of such a ship to show them.

I apologize for the long message, but I hope other
frustrated researchers will be encouraged to keep
searching. And I especially want to thank the
people who helped me.

Sandra Powell

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Hello Gerry,

      There is a family of Wilhelm Schroder from Prussia that came in 1879.
Is this by any chance your Wilhelm?
   ISTG - SS Suevia

     It doesn't give the last residence anyway, but it could be helpful
information otherwise.

     There are so many ways to write "Fred". Do you know what his "German"
name was?

Barbara

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Thanks, Barbara. Until I started working on this family, I had no idea Schroeder was such a common name. It isn't at all common in my area.

The family (as I have them at the moment):
John (Johann) H., b. May 1813 Hanover; d. 9 Dec 1889 Ripley Co., IN
Catherine, b. 15 Aug 1832 Hanover; d. 27 Jan 1912 Ripley Co., IN
Charles (Carl) Henry, b. 17 Feb 1858 Hanover; d. 6 Dec 1937 Hooks, Bowie Co., TX
John (Johann) Heinrich, b. abt 1860 Hanover
Anna Marie, b Aug 1864 Hanover; d. aft 1930; married Herman H. Siebert in Jackson Co., 27 May 1886
William F., b. Jan 1870, Indiana; d. aft 1930
Louisa M., b. 24 Jan 1872 Indiana; d. 13 Aug 1893, Ripley Co., IN

Catherine, Anna Marie, and William are in the 1900 Laughery Township, Ripley County census. Anna Marie and William are also in the 1920 and 1930 Laughery Township, Ripley County census records.

I think there may be some older children. I'm trying to resolve that question now. I also think it is possible that Catherine is not the mother of all the children. She is 19 years younger, and I have a couple of items that make me wonder if she is the mother of Charles Henry, my great grandfather. John H., Catherine, and some of the children moved to Ripley County in the 1880's. Charles H. and his family were in Jackson County, IN when the 1900 census was taken. According to a family record written by my great grandmother, her children were born in Jackson, Jennings, and Knox Counties, Indiana before the family moved to Bowie County, Texas in 1907.

Their family consisted of:
Charles H., married Sarah Elizabeth Pfeiffer 5 Oct 1884 in Jennings County
Sarah Elizabeth Pfeiffer, b. 13 Mar 1866 in Jennings Co.; d. 17 Aug 1944, Bowie Co., TX
Mary Schroeder, b. 14 Oct 1885, Jackson Co.; d. 27 Apr. 1967, Bowie Co., TX
George Henry, 16 Oct 1887, Jennings Co., d. 24 Oct 1949, Bowie Co., TX
Mettie, b. 20 Feb 1890, Knox Co., d. 5 Jul 1947
Julia Ann, b. 19 Dec 1893, Knox Co., d. 19 Nov 1974, Miller County, AR (my grandmother)
Lucinda L., b. 9 Jun 1896, Jackson Co., d. 29 Jul 1972, Bowie Co., TX
John F., b. 25 Jul 1898, Jackson Co., d. 14 Nov 1968, Solano, CA
Edna, b. 6 Mar 1901; d. 21 Feb 1991, Bowie Co, Texas

I question whether Catherine is the mother of all the children in the household because in my great grandmother's family record, she writes that Charles Henry "came to United States after the War was over in the year 1866, with his father John Schroeder. Then the obit for Charles H. states he came to America with a sister at the age of seven years. I've never found a reference to Catherine as his mother, and there was a Friederike Schroeder who may be an older sister. I'm still trying to track her whereabouts. Everything we find brings new questions, right? Oh, another reason I was convinced the family immigrated in 1866 was John H.'s declaration of intent that stated his arrival date was Sep 1866. Now I wonder if that was when he arrived in Indiana.

The family was Lutheran. I've written to St. Paul's church in Batesville to see if they have more information. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the church will be able to tell me where the family lived in Germany.

Any ideas? I'm pretty much just waiting to see what comes in from Ripley County.

Sandra

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The only thing I know about my Schroeder family is that they lived in Indiana after immigrating in 1865. Then in 1907 my great grandfather moved his family to northeast Texas. It is possible that some of his siblings moved to Minnesota, but I don't know anything about them. Good luck with your search.
Sandra

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Dear List,

In case you are not aware. This is really good shortcut site.

I even found one of my gramps marriage certificate info in the New York Groom index.

Barbie Lew
St. Louis

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Gerry,
There are several Schroeders in the Eitzen, MN area, which is about 50 miles south and east of Chatfield, MN
You can find information about them at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=eitzenfamilies
Lila

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Thanks for the info. Will look into it. Gerry

--- Lila Burmeister <lburmeister@meekercoop.net>
wrote:

Gerry,
There are several Schroeders in the Eitzen, MN area,
which is about
50 miles south and east of Chatfield, MN
You can find information about them at: http://

worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=eitzenfamilies

Lila
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Fake family trees online may trip up genealogists

By Lee Davidson
Deseret Morning News
November 12, 2005

Genealogists beware.

A software company is marketing a new program to Internet advertisers that could quickly generate Web sites full of extensive, but fake, family trees.

Critics say the approach appears to be part of a new money-making scheme to lure people who search for family names on Google, Yahoo or other search engines to Web sites that use bogus data to help ensure they appear high on "hit lists."

Full story ~
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160683,00.html

Jb

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Hi:

I believe that some of the respective sites have in a way offered bogus data. I refer to the repetitious listing of the same individual data.

Gale