Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 55, Eintrag 4

10 June 2008
Tuesday

Barbara:

I just read with great interest about the Emsland Roman Catholic Churches. My maternal grandfather's family is from there, specifically the Lingen/Schepfsdorf area. The surname is Tranel. What other information do you have in regards to the churches and missionary priests? Thanking you in advance, CindyCindy NielsenVolunteer GenealogistEast Dubuque District Library> From: hannover-l-request@genealogy.net> Subject: Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 55, Eintrag 4> To: hannover-l@genealogy.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 12:00:06 +0200> > Um e-Mails an die Liste Hannover-L zu schicken, nutzen Sie bitte die> Adresse> > hannover-l@genealogy.net> > Um sich via Web von der Liste zu entfernen oder draufzusetzen:> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l&gt; > oder, via Email, schicken Sie eine Email mit dem Wort 'help' in> Subject/Betreff oder im Text an> > hannover-l-request@genealogy.net> > Sie koennen den Listenverwalter dieser Liste unter der Adresse> > hannover-l-owner@genealogy.net> > erreichen> > Wenn Sie antworten, bitte editieren Sie die Subject/Betreff auf einen> sinnvollen Inhalt der spezifischer ist als "Re: Contents of Hannover-L> digest..."> > > Meldungen des Tages:> > 1. Re: HELZENDORF & RENDDLAUEN IN HANNOVER (Barbara Stewart)> 2. Militärstandorte 1935 - 1940 (Gerd Lauing)> 3. Re: Militärstandorte 1935 - 1940 (Peter Meister)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 16:00:49 -0700> From: Barbara Stewart <raybarbara@san.rr.com>> Subject: Re: [HN] HELZENDORF & RENDDLAUEN IN HANNOVER> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l@genealogy.net>> Message-ID: <C469C9B1.21CD%raybarbara@san.rr.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"> > Hello,> > About the Catholic Churches in northern Germany - The towns along the> Ems River (near the Netherlands) called the Emsland were Catholic. I've been> told that missionary priests came through that area and the people went back> to the Catholic faith (or maybe never left the RC). I have copies of church> records from there.> > Barbara> > > > Hi Bob: Yes, Bucken with an umlaut over the u. Often called> > Bücken-an-der-Weser , altho it isn't directly on the Weser - but very> > close. Yes, directly south of Hoya. And it is now a Lutheran or> > Evangelican Church - since the Reformation - when all RC churches were> > banned in northern Germany. (Only a few are just beginning to come back> > into being in the last few years!! I have some lovely pics I took at the> > time - if I can find them, will send them later. Jane> > > > > >> [Original Message]> >> From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval@juno.com>> >> To: <hannover-l@genealogy.net>> >> Date: 5/28/2008 9:57:00 PM> >> Subject: Re: [HN] HELZENDORF & RENDDLAUEN IN HANNOVER> >> > >> Looks like my Büken came out no better! Would that be Buken with umlaut> >> over the U??? > >> On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:45:01 -0500 Bob Marhenke <bobmarval@juno.com>> >> writes:> >>> Hi Jane, Glad to see that you are back on-line. What would be the> >>> proper> >>> way to address an inquiry to this Parish. Your text did not come> >>> through> >>> well but I assume you are speaking of B|ken just below Hoya? It> >>> appears> >>> there are no LDS records and it appears this is an Evangelical> >>> church, am> >>> I correct?> >>> > >>> Thanks---Bob Marhenke> >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:36:05 -0400 "JANE E SWAN"> >>> <jeswansong@earthlink.net> writes:> >>>> Hi Bob: I have been off-list for a long time due to lenghthy> >>>> illness> >>>> (stroke) but finally, more or less, back on. Helzendorf is a> >>> little > >>>> area> >>>> south of Vilsen and east of Asendorf (hardly a village - just a> >>>> country -> >>>> farming area). As far as I know, it has no church of it's own.> >>>> All the> >>>> records are at B|cken. You have to write to the> >>> Kirchenbuchf|hrer.> >>>> For a> >>>> small town it is a very beautiful church. It was originally the> >>>> collegiate> >>>> church of one of the first monasteries founded by Charlemagne.> >>> When > >>>> I> >>>> visited there many years ago (over 30) he was a crotchety old> >>> man, > >>>> not too> >>>> helpful and charged to look up just one thing. I'm sure that has> >>>> all> >>>> changed by now. I have one ancestor from there - Wilhelm Koch -> >>> he > >>>> was the> >>>> miller there.> >>>> The other name I can't help you with. I am sure it is spelled> >>>> wrong. If> >>>> you can figure out a better spelling,I'll look again. I have an> >>>> excellent> >>>> map of Hannover but unfortunately, no index. Jane> >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> [Original Message]> >>>>> From: Bob Marhenke <bobmarval@juno.com>> >>>>> To: <hannover-l@genealogy.net>> >>>>> Date: 5/28/2008 3:44:59 PM> >>>>> Subject: [HN] HELZENDORF & RENDDLAUEN IN HANNOVER> >>>>> > >>>>> I have a couple leads I need an assist with. It has to do with> >>>> Towns in> >>>>> the Hannover region. One is HELZENDORF which I believe is near> >>>> NEINBURG> >>>>> and the other is RENDDLAUEN,as near as I can read the writing.> >>>>> > >>>>> A HEINRICH MEYER born Nov 9 1853 came from this HELZENDORFand a> >>>> ELIZABETH> >>>>> EGGERS born Mar 6 1864 came from this RENDDLAUEN. I am having> >>> no > >>>> luck> >>>>> finding a RENDDLAUEN so I assume the spelling must be incorrect.> >>>>> > >>>>> What I would like to know from the list is: are there any parish> >>> > >>>> records> >>>>> available from any source for these two towns to follow up on> >>>> these> >>>>> births. Any help much appreciated----Bob Marhenke> >>>>> ______________________________________________> >>>>> > >>>>> Hannover-L mailing list> >>>>> Hannover-L@genealogy.net> >>>>> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l&gt; >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________> > > > Hannover-L mailing list> > Hannover-L@genealogy.net> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l&gt; > > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: 03 Jun 2008 07:09 GMT> From: Lauing.Gerd@t-online.de (Gerd Lauing)> Subject: [HN] Militärstandorte 1935 - 1940> To: "Hannover-L" <hannover-l@genealogy.net>> Message-ID: <1K3Qej-1xdfKi0@fwd27.aul.t-online.de>> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1"> > Hallo in die Liste,> > neulich hatte ich nach der Sigmaringer Straße in Hannover> gefragt und mich gewundert, dass niemand geantwortet hat.> Jetzt habe ich selbst in den Adress- und Telefonbüchern> nachgeschlagen und gesehen, dass es die Straße nie gegeben> hat. Also muss ich jetzt aus der anderen Richtung an die> Frage herangehen.> Wo kann ich erfahren, wo die II. Lu-Ers-Abt-Lg N.A. 11> (Sigmaringer Straße 35) in der Zeit stationiert war?> Für jede direkte und indirekte Hilfe bin ich dankbar.> > Mit freundlichem Gruß> > Gerd Lauing> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:46:24 +0200> From: "Peter Meister" <meisterphh@googlemail.com>> Subject: Re: [HN] Militärstandorte 1935 - 1940> To: Hannover-L <hannover-l@genealogy.net>> Message-ID:> <34f6d5320806030046x6cef950bm713f6a477962f850@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1> > Hallo Gerd, die Frage nach dieser Straße wurde bereits einmal an mich> herangetragen, ich kontaktierte damals das Archiv der Stadt Hannover,> allerdings erfolglos. Die Straße scheint es in Hannover nicht gegeben zu> haben.> Da dort eine Luftwaffeneinheit stationiert gewesen sein soll während des 2.> Weltkriegen,> kann diese nur in der Nähe des Luftwaffenfliegerhorstes in Langenhagen> gewesen sein.> Vielleicht kann da Dir das Archiv der Stadt Langenhagen weiterhelfen.> > MfG> Peter (Meister)> > Am 3. Juni 2008 09:09 schrieb Gerd Lauing <Lauing.Gerd@t-online.de>:> > > Hallo in die Liste,> >> > neulich hatte ich nach der Sigmaringer Straße in Hannover> > gefragt und mich gewundert, dass niemand geantwortet hat.> > Jetzt habe ich selbst in den Adress- und Telefonbüchern> > nachgeschlagen und gesehen, dass es die Straße nie gegeben> > hat. Also muss ich jetzt aus der anderen Richtung an die> > Frage herangehen.> > Wo kann ich erfahren, wo die II. Lu-Ers-Abt-Lg N.A. 11> > (Sigmaringer Straße 35) in der Zeit stationiert war?> > Für jede direkte und indirekte Hilfe bin ich dankbar.> >> > Mit freundlichem Gruß> >> > Gerd Lauing> >> > ______________________________________________> >> > Hannover-L mailing list> > Hannover-L@genealogy.net> > http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l&gt; >> > > > -- > http://www.norfolkterrier-fan.de/ahnen/index.html&gt; M.d.GFKW und GFW/BSW> > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Hannover-L mailing list> Hannover-L@genealogy.net> http://list.genealogy.net/mailman/listinfo/hannover-l&gt; > > Ende Hannover-L Nachrichtensammlung, Band 55, Eintrag 4> *******************************************************

Hi Cindy,

     I remember the name of Tranel. Did we correspond some time ago? The
hunting never ends. I was on the Hannover list for several years back, but
then since we have moved from Denver to San Diego, I just haven't had time.
If you have not seen this, you might try this:

http://meta.genealogy.net/ It is a good source and there are a few Tranels
on that page.

   Better yet--have you ever searched at this site?

   http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/

   Just type in the name of Tranel and you will find a few who came to
America. I think the "Lin" refers to Lingen. There is also reference to
Bramhaar/Cruelsorth which is in that area. Maybe your family may be there.

  Let me know what you find.

Good luck,
Barbara

Hello Cindy,

     I was thinking more about your Tranel family last night. I would
imagine you have looked here:
http://www.emslanders.com/tra.htm for the Tranel family.

    Note that sometimes the Tranel is Trannel and the spelling of the town
near Lingen is Schepsdorf. (no F)

    If I were you, I would think about seeking the records from the Meppen
office (which holds Catholic records for that area). It is a branch of the
Catholic diocese of Osnabrück. When I was completely lost as to the
birthplace of my great-grandmother, I got help from there via email. The man
there sent enough so I could go back much farther. They do charge a 20 euro
per hour for the research, but it should not cost much if you have the
correct town.

   fam.archive@kgverband-meppen.de

    We all like to get information for free, but it seldom works that way.
In our travels to Germany, we went to two Catholic dioceses (Osnabrück and
another in Bavaria) and did research and we had to pay for every copy. From
what I hear, the LDS are aiming to put absolutely everything they have
online eventually. Of course, they might have to work hard to get some
dioceses (like Osnabrück) to allow that to happen. Some dioceses have
allowed them to copy everything and others do not.

   Then, I have managed to use Google and found researchers (some German) in
the same area. The very first great find was a man from the Netherlands who
gave me one long side of our family (and that was free).I have received a
lot of information that way. Most people like to share what they have to
find matches or just some hints. We have to DIG and DIG!

   I wish I could be of more help!

Barbara