Habenicht, Hilwartshausen X 2

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Dear Hannover Listers,
I am new to the list.

I'm a ggggrandson of a Johann Habenicht, of the Kingdom of Hannover, born perhaps around 1790. (Other persons' family trees on Ancestry.com suggest that his full name was JOHANN Heinrich Chrislieb Habenicht, and that his wife was Sophie CHARLOTTE Henriette Muller, born about 1801, same area.)

Three of his sons, August, Heinrich, and Christian Frederick Habenicht, 1836-1900, emigrated to the USA in the 1850's, first to Pennsylvania, then Missouri, then Iowa. I am in Christian's line.
(Other person's family trees suggest that the older brother's full name was Franz Friedrich AUGUST Habenicht, 1831-1914, married to an Augustine CaroLINE Zieser, or "Zeasar", 1838-1898, of the same area, and that August also brought the mother, Charlotte, to the USA. The middle brother is usually called Henry, 1833-1933, the last half of his life having been lived in Washington state.)

I haven't yet seen any of the documentation for their home town, but some family trees say August Habenicht was born in Hilwartshausen (alternately spelled "Hilvertshausen," even in some German quotes on the web).

I am surprised to find that there are two places, only about 20 miles apart, named Hilwartshausen.

One is a small agricultural town about 40 miles south of the City of Hannover, and south of the larger towns of Dassel and Einbeck, and near a great national forest.

The other is a tiny hamlet, described as a convent's estate, "Klostergut," though the convent was destroyed in the 30-years war in the early 1600's, on the west bank of the Weser River, on the border with Hesen. This is some 20 miles SSW of the above namesake town.

I would love to be enlightened on any of the above matters.

Thankyou,
Har

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Hello,

     The archives of Niedersachsen list several Habenichts that may be part
of your family. There is a August who came from Delligsen to the U.S. In
1839. Another August emigrated later.

  Go here: http://aidaonline.niedersachsen.de/ You can search in various
ways. You can search for August Habenicht or just the last name and you will
find a lot of Habenichts. There will more than one listing in each group.
If you want to order the records, you can do that, but you may have enough
information in the record as given.

   By the way, in the archives there is a Habenicht that is from
Hilwartshausen near Dassel which is south and a little west of Delligsen.

   Also, there is a shiplist on Castlegarden.org where there are four August
Habenicht listed. That are 4 names listed, but sometimes one person may go
back and forth.

   Good luck to you!

  Barbara

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Thankyou, Ms. Barbara,

All the info you mentioned is new to me.
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Hello,

    I've been hunting for your Habenichts. I feel that you need to realize
that the Habenicht name is not all that unusual. This will show you where
the name of Habenicht is in Germany:

http://christoph.stoepel.net/geogen/en/Default.aspx

   Look at the Absolute Map there. Because of that I think you have to be
very careful of thinking that any one Habenicht in various online genealogy
might be your family. Have you looked at the LDS site where you will see
lots of Habenicht?

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

There are a lot of them listed there. There is a Christian F. born in 1836
in Obermoellrich and married Jane Payne with daughter Dollie. Is that is
your family? I rather doubt it, but maybe.

    I have looked in the census records.In 1900, I find a August living
there married to a Lena with several children (In Webster Co .Iowa). Is
that some of your relatives? In the 1900 census you can usually find the
date of arrival to the U.S. August there lists his arrival as 1856. That
may be useful info. Your line is from Christian Habenicht and there are
fewer listed in the census. What was his wife's name? And their children?

   I'll keep looking,
   Barbara

Thankyou, Ms. Barbara,

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Ms. Barbara,

You hit paydirt for me! The listing you found doubtful does seem to be my ancestor:
Christian Frederick Habenicht, b. 1836, married Elizabeth Jane Payne, b. 1841, and their youngest daughter was Dollie Luzena Habenicht.

My tree is public on Ancestry.com, "Har's Family Tree."

Thankyou for your kind assistance!

Har
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Hello again,

     I'm happy about that finding (Christian H. from Obermoellrich), but I
do have some hesitation. It was put on the LDS website twice with the the
listing as from Hannover. Individuals can place information there, but it
can be wrong. Obermoellrich is in Hessen, not in Hannover - unless there was
some change in the borders. I am not familiar with that area. On the other
hand when I read U.S.census records for Habenecht, I don't believe the
birthplace was ever listed as in Hannover, but just listed as "Germany".

   However, I found something you may be interested in if you wish to learn
more about the Habenicht in that region. Look here:

  http://members.cox.net/hessen/q-a2.htm

This is a website that provides information on genealogy in that area.
Scroll down and you will find a good listing for you;
    Lieselotte Habenicht -- she is a researcher in that area. Her email
address is: Lieselotte@Habenicht.info You should read the information there
about charges, etc. Since she could be a relative of yours, maybe she will
be even more helpful.

  Good luck,

  Barbara

Ms. Barbara,

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Ms. Barbara,

Thankyou for the current distribution map of Habenicht families in Germany --- I will take that to a family reunion next month.

A couple of months ago I became aware that several dozen Habenicht individuals emigrated from Germany, Danmark, Bohemia, Austria, and Belgium. Also that Germany had at least two concentrations of this family name: Hannover proper to Hameln region, and Hamburg to Schwerin-Mecklenburg.

The August you mentioned from Iowa is Christian's brother. Christian's entry in the census can be found as Chris F. Habenicht. I have not found censuses for them before 1880.

Har
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Hello again,
    Go to Castlegarden.org and you can see Habenichts.:

    Chr. Peasant Age 18, May 7, 1855 on Ship Coriolan
    Carol. Age 19 on the same ship-same date
    C. , a sailor May 22 1850
    Christian, hotel keeper, age 40, 1862
    Aug.age 51, Laborer 28 Dec,1873
    August, age 25, Farmer, July 11, 1856 Ship Philadelphia I think this is
    the one who lived in Iowa. In the 1900 census he says he came to U.S.
    in 1856.
    Charlotte, age 55, same ship-same date (maybe his mother?)
    Two other Augusts come in 1871 and 1869

    I forgot to look for Henry - I'll go back and find him later maybe.
  Barbara

Ms. Barbara,

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Ms. Barbara,

Yes, I had seen all the Habenicht arrivals information a couple of months ago, except for those from after the 1850's. A couple of other members trees on Ancestry.com do claim that August brought the three brothers' mother to the USA; one says that she died before August moved to Iowa.

As to the Caroline (presumably, from "Carol.") with "Chr. Habenicht", I speculate that she was August's or Henry's wife, as both were married to a "Lina." I really haven't seen anything definitive looking for Christian's arrival, but this record from 1855 has been looking to be the best one so far. On my tree I list 4 different arrival possibilities, two of which you found today; the others are from my relatives.

Har

Har
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