Grandparents vs Godparents

Alfred,

This is my Sherlock Translation of your reply to Grandparents vs Godparents.
11.8.04
I think Michael tree was from "Goellheim". That is situated between
Kaiserslautern and Kirchheimbolanden on the right of the today's
motorway, if a church book search in question come actually the
indicated persons the "godfathers" and not grandparents had to be. I
assume that a translation error is present. Greeting A. Brauch from
new city a.d. Weinstr. end

I see they were possibly not Grandparents. I do not recognize these surnames, Baum and Steinmetz. They were not to be found in LDS record of Tuhelj families. But, I have to keep an open mind, as the records start at 1739 in in film and they were sparse. I was at the LDS this a.m. and only saw Baumgartner to be close.
I have the photo of the record, so I must study the letters more closely. Baum looks close to surname Lauer/Laur. That surname is sprinkled throughout the records.10 years earlier, there was an Anna Eva wed to Frederici Mayer.

Thank you for your response. I feel very fortunate to have found these families in Schweisweiler.

My family tree in Tuhelj is: The format may not allow this to be readable.
Not Catholic.

A.Johann Wendel Mayer (b 8 Jan 1726) d 23 Dec 1791 ae 65yr 11mo 15da source:death 1785 1798 &index #687

      + Margaret Catharina ________

                     1. Johann Michael Mayer b/ bpt 21 / 22 Jan 1763 gp Johann Jacob Steinmetz surgeon & Margaret Elizabeth of Göllheim and Michael Baum / Lauer of Göllheim and Anna Eva
? Grandparents or Godparents: Johann Jacob Steinmetz (Felkscherer), surgeon/medical Imsbach & Margaretha Elizabeth
? Grandparents or Godparents: Michael Baum/ Lauer of Göllhiem & Anna Eva
                                                                                             source: birth record # 67 Index 1457590

                                                                   confirmation 1775 source: confirmation record #7 and index

                  + #1 Catharina Fredericka Sengin (Seng) b 1762 source: index 1762 Winnweiler

                  + ?#2 ?Retzstadt ( location?? or surname ) m 11 Feb 1780 source: marriage record #189 #1457589 Wiinweiler

children
         a. Johann Wendel Mayer b 17 Jan 1782 note: extr. Le 1. Avril 1800 Gp Wendel Mayer & Margaretha Sengin
                                  source: index 1782 film #1457590 & birth record #893 pg 139 image source Side Note: # 893 pg 139

         a. Johann Wendel Mayer confirmed Schweisweiler Church 1795 source: #7confirmation #1457589
        he was age 31 time of Adam birth, French occupation of area-Jean.
        he was a Godparent/Catherine Ursula Franz 22 Oct 1809 Schweisweiler Vendelin Laborer age 27

                + #1 Anna Catarine Pillippau Lauar dau/oPhilipp Liuer & Anna Catherina Spechstein of Leithof. m 1765/66 source: index #220 #271 1767 Johann Philipp Larur/Liruor & Anna Catherine Lohnsfeld son Johann Semp epes le 28 plavioje 8

                + #1 Anna Catherine Lauer baptism 29 July 1 794 dau/o Philipp Lauer & Maria gp Jacob Mayer & Catherine & Sebast__ Mueller. source: baptism 0351916 list register # 2025

                       son I. Jean Adam Mayer b 2 Jun 1813 d 1863 USA Schweisweiler, Gp Francois Woerst & Jean Adam Haas ( My USA GGGrandfather )
                                                                         
           b. Johann Mayer b 7 Jan 1784 gp Maria Uram? & Johann Frederick Seng source: #687 image
           b. Johann Frederick Mayer b 7 Jan 1784 gp Johann Frederick Mayer source: #687 birth #1457590 image
           b. Jean (Johann) Frederick Mayer ((b 8 Feb1784)) † 7 Dec 1787 Schweisweiler ae 3y 9m 29d src death#1457590
           c. Jacob Mayer bpt 11 Nov 1786 Schweisweiler poss. m/d 11 Nov 1807
                     gp Jacob Seng & looks like Saúr Lafinr (__hier) source: #8 birth/baptism film #1457590
           d.George Philipp Mayer bpt 13 Feb 1789 gp GeorgePhilipp Jung & Margaretha Lobin
               † 29 Mar 1789 0 y 1 m16 d Schweisweiler source: index death 1785-1798 birth / death film #1457590
            e. Johann Paul Mayer bpt 23 Feb 1790 Schweisweiler gp. Johann Paul Vogel & Maria Margaretha
            f. Maria Catherina Mayer bpt 3 Jun. 1792 eptr 14 cont809 gp Johann Jacob Yniluy & Maria Catherina
            g. Johann Frederick Mayer bpt 20/29 Sep1794 Schweis gp Johann Frederick Seng & Maria Magdolena Löbin?
            h. Maria Katherina Mayer bpt 8 Oct 1797 Schweisweiler #11 gp Nikolaus Löb & Maria Katherina Vogelin

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"Grayce Ezarik" <grayce@bentcom.net> schrieb:

Alfred,

This is my Sherlock Translation of your reply to Grandparents vs
Godparents.
11.8.04
I think Michael tree was from "Goellheim". That is situated between
Kaiserslautern and Kirchheimbolanden on the right of the today's
motorway, if a church book search in question come actually the
indicated persons the "godfathers" and not grandparents had to be. I
assume that a translation error is present. Greeting A. Brauch from
new city a.d. Weinstr. end

I see they were possibly not Grandparents. I do not recognize these
surnames, Baum and Steinmetz. They were not to be found in LDS record
of Tuhelj families. But, I have to keep an open mind, as the records
start at 1739 in in film and they were sparse. I was at the LDS this
a.m. and only saw Baumgartner to be close.
I have the photo of the record, so I must study the letters more
closely. Baum looks close to surname Lauer/Laur. That surname is
sprinkled throughout the records.10 years earlier, there was an Anna
Eva wed to Frederici Mayer.

Thank you for your response. I feel very fortunate to have found these
families in Schweisweiler.

My family tree in Tuhelj is: The format may not allow this to be
readable.
Not Catholic.

A.Johann Wendel Mayer (b 8 Jan 1726) d 23 Dec 1791 ae 65yr 11mo 15da
source:death 1785 1798 &index #687

      + Margaret Catharina ________

                     1. Johann Michael Mayer b/ bpt 21 / 22 Jan 1763
gp Johann Jacob Steinmetz surgeon & Margaret Elizabeth of Göllheim
and Michael Baum / Lauer of Göllheim and Anna Eva
? Grandparents or Godparents: Johann Jacob Steinmetz (Felkscherer),
surgeon/medical Imsbach & Margaretha Elizabeth
? Grandparents or Godparents: Michael Baum/ Lauer of Göllhiem & Anna Eva
                                                                         
                    source: birth record # 67 Index 1457590

confirmation 1775 source:
confirmation record #7 and index

                  + #1 Catharina Fredericka Sengin (Seng) b 1762
                                                         source: index
1762 Winnweiler

                  + ?#2 ?Retzstadt ( location?? or surname ) m 11
Feb 1780 source: marriage record #189
  #1457589 Wiinweiler

children
         a. Johann Wendel Mayer b 17 Jan 1782 note: extr. Le 1. Avril
1800 Gp Wendel Mayer & Margaretha Sengin
                                  source: index 1782 film #1457590 &
birth record #893 pg 139 image source Side Note: # 893 pg 139

         a. Johann Wendel Mayer confirmed Schweisweiler Church 1795
                source: #7confirmation #1457589
        he was age 31 time of Adam birth, French occupation of
area-Jean.
        he was a Godparent/Catherine Ursula Franz 22 Oct 1809
Schweisweiler Vendelin Laborer age 27

                + #1 Anna Catarine Pillippau Lauar dau/oPhilipp Liuer
& Anna Catherina Spechstein of Leithof. m 1765/66 source:
index #220 #271 1767 Johann Philipp Larur/Liruor & Anna Catherine
Lohnsfeld son Johann Semp epes le 28 plavioje 8

                + #1 Anna Catherine Lauer baptism 29 July 1 794 dau/o
Philipp Lauer & Maria gp Jacob Mayer & Catherine & Sebast__ Mueller.
         source: baptism 0351916 list register # 2025

                       son I. Jean Adam Mayer b 2 Jun 1813 d 1863 USA
Schweisweiler, Gp Francois Woerst & Jean Adam Haas ( My USA
GGGrandfather )
                                                                         
                     source: birth cert Adam #51 image

           b. Johann Mayer b 7 Jan 1784 gp Maria Uram? & Johann
Frederick Seng source: #687 image
           b. Johann Frederick Mayer b 7 Jan 1784 gp Johann Frederick
Mayer source: #687 birth #1457590 image
           b. Jean (Johann) Frederick Mayer ((b 8 Feb1784)) † 7 Dec 1787
Schweisweiler ae 3y 9m 29d src death#1457590
           c. Jacob Mayer bpt 11 Nov 1786 Schweisweiler poss. m/d 11 Nov
1807
                     gp Jacob Seng & looks like Saúr Lafinr (__hier)
                                      source: #8 birth/baptism film
#1457590
           d.George Philipp Mayer bpt 13 Feb 1789
             gp GeorgePhilipp Jung & Margaretha Lobin
               † 29 Mar 1789 0 y 1 m16 d Schweisweiler
   source: index death 1785-1798 birth / death film #1457590
            e. Johann Paul Mayer bpt 23 Feb 1790 Schweisweiler
gp. Johann Paul Vogel & Maria Margaretha
            f. Maria Catherina Mayer bpt 3 Jun. 1792 eptr 14 cont809 gp
Johann Jacob Yniluy & Maria Catherina
            g. Johann Frederick Mayer bpt 20/29 Sep1794 Schweis gp
Johann Frederick Seng & Maria Magdolena Löbin?
            h. Maria Katherina Mayer bpt 8 Oct 1797 Schweisweiler #11
gp Nikolaus Löb & Maria Katherina Vogelin

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  Hallo Grayce !
  Danke für die Mitteilung.Ich denke es sind einige kleine Fehler vorhanden.
  Joh. Jacob Steinmetz war "Feldscherer"
" Retzstadt" ist kein Familienname und auch kein Ortsname aus der Gegend.
  C.U Franz 22.10.1809 aus Schweisweiler und Wendelin …?, Arbeiter(Profession),Alter 27 Jahre
Anna Catharina Philippa L a u e r, daughter of Philipp Lauer und Anna Catharina
"Spechstein"-ich denke vielleicht "Speckstein" von" Leithof" .Die Leithöfe sind
meines Wissens landwirtschaftliche Anwesen -Farmen 2-3, in der Nähe von Winnweiler.
Johann Philipp Lauer und Anna Catharina aus Lohnsfeld(Village), Sohn Johann (Semp???),
(espes ???)-beide nicht richtig-
Das Datum ist nach dem "Napoleanischen Kalender" im 8. Jahre seiner Herrschaft.
…Catharina und Sebastian Mueller
Johann Mayer geb. 7.1.1784 gp Maria (Uram ???)-falsch
Jacob Seng und ??? vielleicht "Sara" ??? "Lafin" ??? -falsch-
gp Georg Philipp Jung und Margaretha Lobin (=Loebin or Löbin,der Name ist Loeb- and the wife is Loebin)
Johann Jacob (Yniluy ??? =falsch)
J.F. Seng und Maria Magdalena Loeb(in)
Nicolaus Löb und M.Kath. Vogel(in) -0.K.-
Gruss aus der Pfalz
A. Brauch
14.8.04