George E. Hattorf 1880 in NYC

Armin,
One note on NYC customs in the 1800s:

Every year on May 1st the whole city would move to a different apartment:
May 1st was "Moving Day". Sounds crazy, but it's well documented in the
various NYC histories.

My families living in Manhattan between 1870 and 1886 were at a different
address every year: certainly in the census records, but also in the City
Directories (JB is right, those are very useful). Unfortunately to the best
of my knowledge those are not available on line: I've had to go to the NY
Public Library to view them on microfilm.

Similarly, there IS a NY State census (sorry JB), conducted every ten years
on the 5th year of the decade (i.e. 1855, 1865, etc), but it's not available
on line either.

Regards
Art

Looks like another family is living in his apartement. And now i cant find
him in the index. Is he one of those forgotten people, so will i ever see
him and his wife and the name of his children ??? This is not fair really
not fair i am so sad now.

Armin:

Similarly, there IS a NY State census (sorry JB), conducted every ten years
on the 5th year of the decade (i.e. 1855, 1865, etc), but it's not available
on line either.

Hi Art. Oh no I'm aware of this my friend. Same as in many other states and even some territories, only with varying years. What I meant to say (but perhaps relayed in too clipped a manner) was that there isn't anything available in the NY state censuses for that period (circa 1880-1885, or any years close) for the greater Manhattan area, the area and period Armin is looking at for that elusive trickster of his.

The NY state censuses - to include -ALL- the counties statewide - have a substantial gap in their sequencing between 1875 and 1892. As it is, there is nothing really at all for New York County (Manhattan) or the adjacent areas of Bronx County (the Bronx) or Queens County (Queens) for anywhere near the time periods Armin needs, although Kings county (Brooklyn) is covered well and Richmond County (Staten Island) has one state census -- for 1875 at least. Not too promising from my vantage point ...

I'm also quite sure that few of these state census returns have been indexed appreciably yet, especially in regards to the post-1850 years, so it would be VERY slow going search-wise with the populations those areas represent. If there is something beyond this that I'm unaware of, let me know. As it is, you know NYC resources as well as anyone on the list -- so spin me right if I'm missing something.

Jb

PS. That "Moving Day" does sound crazy. The whole city, are you sure??? I could only picture the traffic jams. Holy you know what! lol

PS. Meant to include this with that last post of mine. Available NY state census returns for the following NYC counties between 1845-1905 (as far as I can determine):

- New York County (Manhattan) -0-
- Bronx County (The Bronx) -0-
- Queens County (Queens) -0-
- Richmond County (Staten Island) 1855, 1865, 1875
- Kings county (Brooklyn) 1855, 1865, 1875, 1892, 1905

Other outlaying areas (counties) in the state are pretty well covered, and ALL counties are picked up in the 1915 + 1925 returns.

Jb