Genealogy.com versus Ancestry.com (Julia Hattorff) (Barbara)

hannover-l
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Hi Barbara

Thanks for your mail. Yes your right.

The 1870 census is Frederick A. Hattorf (Friedrich August Hattorff from
Memsen/Hoya Kingdom Hannover son of Johann August Hattorff, Sergeant major in the
KGL).

I had problems too to read the profession manufacturer of
bitters.

Yes he had later a concession for bitters cause they had a local called
Hattorf's Garden in Richmond VA.

The black Hattorf is a mistery did some of those VA Hattorfs had a illegal
son lol. No i think this is one of the Hattorf(f)s which is a misspelling like
some Hattoff are Hattorffs or some Hattorffs are Hattoffs or Hittoffs. I have
a lot of misspellings to fill a letter, Hallorf, Haltorf, Hattoff, Hatdorf,
Hattore, Hattorss (in 1860 F.A: is misspelled as F.A: Hattorss)

Mary is the wife of Frederick A. she came from Saxonia from Gayro, what ever
this town should be there is no Gayro in Germany, perhaps they ment Gera in
Saxony.

But the problem is Frederick A. was coming around 1842/43 to the USA he is
in the citydirectory of Brooklyn in the year 1843 !

And he was married in NY with a certain JULIA. And thats the reason why i
would like to know if genealogy.com has additional infos about his first wife.

Somewere between 1850 and 1860 F.A: is leaving New York to go to Virginia in
his original profession he was segar dealer (cigar dealer) he is in the 1850
census as Fred Haltorf born in England (what is very correct he is born
Uxbridge).

On his tombstone you find Frederick A. Hattoff born Oxbridge even in his
death he is misspelled.

I have a lot of stuff of his second life in VA. How many money he had and
s.o.

But i have nothing about his "first life" in NY. What happened with his
family with Julia and the kids after 1860 i couldnt find them in the 1860 census
and not in the 1870, 1880. I have to turn around each and every page of the
census NY it will take me years !!!

So i hoped to find the needle in the hay something about Julia at
genealogy.com (if it is not Julia Hattorff born 1851 who is probably his daughter too),
cause they have 2 informations about a certain Julia Hattorff.

Thank you Barbara for your help

Armin

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Armin Ha-XXX[fill in your own letters]XXx-orf wrote:

The black Hattorf is a mistery did some of those VA Hattorfs had a illegal
son lol. No i think this is one of the Hattorf(f)s which is a misspelling like
some Hattoff are Hattorffs or some Hattorffs are Hattoffs or Hittoffs. I have
a lot of misspellings to fill a letter, Hallorf, Haltorf, Hattoff, Hatdorf,
Hattore, Hattorss (in 1860 F.A: is misspelled as F.A: Hattorss)

On his tombstone you find Frederick A. Hattoff born Oxbridge even in his
death he is misspelled.

Hey Armin! If you don't have a plethora of different spellings for your German surnames, you haven't done enough research! That goes for everyone else on this list by the way. But seeing you have so many verifiable misspellings out the kazoo, you are to be commended! You have certainly been paying your dues, and are being rewarded in kind with fits of frustration in return. Isn't genealogy wonderful? :wink:

Now don't complain or I'll find you but another variant on those names (you'd probably like that though). In the end, this sport is all about one's tolerance for pain!

To answer your question from earlier, in the name of survival - and making a few legitimate bucks - most of the big online genealogical data providers like Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com and even HeritageQuest have formed partnerships with other data miners in the field just to stay afloat, most to be further gobbled up by even bigger fish (a la MyFamily.com). So though technically the majority of these providers are now under a single parent umbrella, the fact remains they all possess proprietary information unique to their own service, and have for the most part independent indexers, transcribers and acquisition units. This allows each of them to remain somewhat competitive, and not become completely stale and redundant. That explains the similar, but not identical, holdings you often run across.

Likewise the indexes you find will fluctuate widely. Some borrow heavily from the older style Accelerated Indexes that were done many years ago (most noticeably seen at Ancestry.com), while others are newer and strictly proprietary, like those from HeritageQuest and Genealogy.com (and a few from LDS itself). If they didn't go this way, the fine folks in Provo, Utah, who run the big show @ MyFamily might as well fold up these individual subsidiary tents, gobble up HQ/PQ once and for all, and raise a single, all-encompassing flag. With both HeritageQuest and Genealogy.com in partnership with Proquest Information as it is, the data mines of that industry have morphed into something of a quasi-monopoly, but who's to complain when so much is being provided as conveniently as it is - and cheaply.

Ok, it's back to the head banging. Jb

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I sent you directly all the matches I found when I do a search for HAT*F ...
to take in consideration of all the misspellings. You might also check
MAT*F as sometimes transcribers transcribed the H as an M for illegible
surname.

If someone else is interested, email me directly at ladybonita@usa.com and I
will send to you off-list as it is quite large.

Bonita