Genealogy.com versus Ancestry.com (J b)

In einer eMail vom 14.12.2006 18:56:13 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
hannover-l-request@genealogy.net:

Armin I forgot to ask you: do you think all the Hattorfs <var> you have
found in the US are connected (or connectable) to your Hattorf line there in
Germany? I know you have made quite a few connections, in most commendable
fashion, but do you suspect they are all related, or only a portion?

Hi John

To be honest not only the US Hattorf or Hattorff how the old name was
written were related i could not find a single Hattorff in Germany who is not
somewhere related to another one.
There is only ONE big Hattorf family tree beginning about 1241 with gaps
then in 1398 he is beginning to be sure. And you can trace back all Hattorfs you
ever find back to that one family living in Duderstadt and Osterode in the
13th century.

So all Hattorffs in the USA are related i told you before even if they
sometimes think the do not want to be related to someone who is living in NY when
they are from VA. lol North vs. South the old story.

Ok i will try to tell the story of the Hattorf familys in the USA in a short
version.

To be more precise the first Hattorff coming to the USA was in my opinion
Frederick A. Hattorff he was the son of a sergeant major in the KGL Johann
August Hattorff we have been talking about him several times. Friedrich August
was coming around 1843 or 1842 he was living in Memsen Hoya Hannover.

In New York he had a family with 5 perhaps more children. One son (George
Edward Hattorf) was staying in NY the other one (Frederick Joseph) was going to
New Haven, New Haven CT.

He himself was leaving NY between 1850 and 1860. He married again 1862 in
Richmond Virginia. And he had again 6 children. Maybe there were 3 more but
they have been dying perhaps as kids. Thats now the Virginian Line.

And the ancestor Johann August was from that old Hattorf family of Osterode
in Germany, but i couldnt find the father of J A.. so i am not sure how close
he is related to me.

The next Hattorf coming around was Johann Friedrich Hattorf from Achim
married with Pauline Louise Raesike ??? ( so they say at the LDS church) he was
coming 1872 from the Bremen Achim line. Also a descendend of Johann Friedrich
Hattorff my personal ancestor. He was living in New York. He had 3 daughters
Pauline, Elsa and May.

Johann Hermann Hattorff came about 1885 he was from the Bremen/Achim line
too, married with Katie Schwindt too. He was a decendend of my personal
ancestor Johann Friedrich Hattorff, so his greatgreatgreatgrandson is my cousin. He
was living in New York.

Then there was a family coming to Chicago you find the names at ancestry.
All descendends of a certain Theodor Hattorff from Labuhn Pommerania, In my
opinion Theodor must be related to the Bremen tree, but there are no more
churchbooks in the eastern part of Germany, so we have to hope that we find someday
someone who has informations.

And finally a family who came late in the 1950 or 60ies to California
descendens of a certain Oscar Friedrich Constantin Hattorff he was living in
Allenstein Easternprussia same problem with his birthpapers. After the war the
Russians and polish people have burned a lot of the old churchbooks in the
streets and the rest you may find today on a black market in Poland. If you are
very lucky. His descendends have been living in Hamburg after the war before
going to the states. He must be somewere related to Theo and the Bremen tree too.

So no strange Hattorff found till today, ok for the last two i have to find
a proof, but i hope to get it soon.

So most of the Hattorfs are coming from the Bremen line.

Oh yes i forgot a certain Johann Friedrich Hattorff born 1797 in Bremen he
made two trips to America one in 1845 and one in 1856. the second time as
Friedrich Hattorf but born the same year 1797 and the same profession and coming
twice from Bremen. he was surely only a visitor and whom could he visit if
not F.A. in New York, he was the only one at this time living in the USA. So
even this one must be a kind of uncle. I still have to find the proof. or would
you make in those days a voyage on such a ship, that was surely not really
funny.

Ok i hope i could answer your question if not ask me

Armin

To be honest not only the US Hattorf or Hattorff how the old name was
written were related i could not find a single Hattorff in Germany who is not
somewhere related to another one.

There is only ONE big Hattorf family tree beginning about 1241 with gaps
then in 1398 he is beginning to be sure. And you can trace back all Hattorfs you
ever find back to that one family living in Duderstadt and Osterode in the
13th century.

So all Hattorffs in the USA are related i told you before even if they
sometimes think the do not want to be related to someone who is living in NY when
they are from VA. lol North vs. South the old story.

I can only tell you then that this is something of an eye opener for many from this side of the pond. Hard to believe really, when we on this end are so used to running across identical surnames to our own but upon further investigation can find no connection whatsoever (even looking beyond those whose names may have been altered from the original after arriving in the States).

So no strange Hattorff found till today, ok for the last two i have to find
a proof, but i hope to get it soon.

So most of the Hattorfs are coming from the Bremen line.

I am only that much more impressed then. I believe you can rightfully say you are the current Master �ber Researcher of that family name. Anyone in the states with a Hattorf connection who is pursuing genealogy should be leaping for joy (and assist you anywhere they can with legwork or financial chips). But alas, many have interest in family history but don't want to be the ones to have to do the actual dirty work, or even help those who do with small contributions. Old story of course. That we should all be so lucky though to have someone like you come knocking one fine day!

Wishing you continued success my friend.

Jb

PS. I see Sandra Powell snagged that info you were seeking. Our little Kuhdorf continues to blink brightly. :slight_smile: