I have some questions regarding Hannover in the time period 1870 -1950. How might I go about matching an address in Hannover to the name of the person said to be living there? In a ship record of entry into New York, having sailed from Germany, a relative indicated that her father had an address in Hannover. She gave the address as: Garteneg 6, Hannover. From a 1901 map of Hannover (wonderfully scanned in color) the city is laid out with its various districts and streets. The index for the map lists six "Gartens" with various names. This is the link:
I am wondering if perhaps the Gartens were numbered by the locals and used to describe a part of the city of Hannover they lived. This is what I am working with:
*Place in Hannover*: Hannover, Garteneg 6
*Person residing there*: Heinrich Haupt
*When*: 1870 -- 1950
*Daughter of Heinrich Haupt*: Karoline Thigpen (presumably Karoline Haupt before marriage to Thigpen)
*Time Frame*: Address of Hannover, Garteneg 6 was given on New York port entry record in 1925. Karoline stated that this was her father's address.
My objective is to find Heinrich Haupt and and his family. Heinrich Haupt's daughter, Karoline, married my cousin, William D. Thigpen around 1920-1925.
Hi Barbara, thank you for your reply. Heinrich Haupt's daughter, Karoline, was born in (1900 - 1901); therefore, we can assume that Heinrich was most likely born between 1850 and 1882.
This is just a suggestion-- Many people named their children after
their own parents. Here's a Heinrich Haupt with a mother by the name of
Carolina--close to the Karoline name you have.
HEINRICH WILHELM LUDWIG HAUPT
Birth:
17 NOV 1878 Hannover, Preussen
Christening:
01 DEC 1878 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Parents:
Father: AUGUST LUDWIG HAUPT Family
Mother: CAROLINA HENRIETTE DORIS WEDEKIND
It really can't be proven with the information you have. Where was Karoline
born?
Another thought-- since many of the Haupt names on the LDS site have 3 or 4
names, it could be that your Heinrich could have been anything like Johann
Heinrich August Haupt and his records are stated with the formal name. But
he used the name of Heinrich Haupt most often. That can be really confusing.
I'm wondering that the Garteneg 6 mentioned isn't supposed to be
"Gartenweg". Garten means Garden. A Google search lists "Gartenweg" but I
don't know what that means either.
Not much help, am I? I hope you can find your answers.
I guess Gartenweg means "way" or some such. You can do a search on
mapquest.com and find Gartenstrasse 6 on the map of Hannover. I asked for
Gartenweg and it referred to Gartenstrasse. I don't know what value that
would be so many years ago. However, maybe you could find the nearest
church and maybe the Haupt records may be there. That may not be easy, but
it's a thought.
Barbara
Hello Allen,
This is just a suggestion-- Many people named their children after
their own parents. Here's a Heinrich Haupt with a mother by the name of
Carolina--close to the Karoline name you have.
HEINRICH WILHELM LUDWIG HAUPT
Birth:
17 NOV 1878 Hannover, Preussen
Christening:
01 DEC 1878 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Parents:
Father: AUGUST LUDWIG HAUPT Family
Mother: CAROLINA HENRIETTE DORIS WEDEKIND
It really can't be proven with the information you have. Where was Karoline
born?
Another thought-- since many of the Haupt names on the LDS site have 3 or 4
names, it could be that your Heinrich could have been anything like Johann
Heinrich August Haupt and his records are stated with the formal name. But
he used the name of Heinrich Haupt most often. That can be really confusing.
I'm wondering that the Garteneg 6 mentioned isn't supposed to be
"Gartenweg". Garten means Garden. A Google search lists "Gartenweg" but I
don't know what that means either.
Not much help, am I? I hope you can find your answers.
Barbara
Hi Barbara, thank you for your reply. Heinrich Haupt's daughter,
Karoline, was born in (1900 - 1901); therefore, we can assume that
Heinrich was most likely born between 1850 and 1882.
Allen Thigpen
R&B Stewart wrote:
Hello Allen,
I'm wondering if you have a date of birth for Heinrich Haupt. The LDS
have these entries for Heinrich Haupt:
Heinrich Friedrich Ferdinand Haupt
Birth: 22 JAN 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Christening: 28 MAR 1862 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, Preussen
Heinrich Friedrich August Haupt
Birth: 19 JAN 1882
Christening: 05 MAR 1882 Hannover Stadt, Hannover, PreussenDeath:
Heinrich Wilhelm Gustav Haupt
Birth: 30 OCT 1887
Christening: 01 JAN 1888 Hannover Stadt, Hannover
There are others listed.
Barbara
Greeting Hannover Genealogy Researchers:
I have some questions regarding Hannover in the time period 1870 -1950.
How might I go about matching an address in Hannover to the name of the
person said to be living there? In a ship record of entry into New York,
having sailed from Germany, a relative indicated that her father had an
address in Hannover. She gave the address as: Garteneg 6, Hannover.
From a 1901 map of Hannover (wonderfully scanned in color) the city is
laid out with its various districts and streets. The index for the map
lists six "Gartens" with various names. This is the link:
You are a help! I appreciate your efforts; I have learned that it is vital to network to solve some riddles. A translation on "Garteweg" yielded and English rendering of "Garden Way", so I think we may have possibly solved part of the address conundrum. I used the Google translator at: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en I find this translator site works better than most for individual words as well as phrases.
The search you did on Heinrich Haupt may prove promising as well. How would you go about tracing his down line? The current phone directory for Hannover lists a Karoline Haupt--I stopped short of calling today, mainly because I do not speak German and also because I need more information.
Have any of you ever contacted the local library or any of the other local resources in Hannover?
It's not clear to me--did Karoline emigrate with her husband or
alone. When?
Your search is a difficult one since your family was in a large city.
Somehow you need to find Karoline's birth. It is not listed in the LDS (IGI)
where the other Haupts are, maybe because it is later than the others. It
is very hard to trace a family line to later times. We usually go
backwards!
Are you anywhere near a LDS center? That is where you can get a great
many records from Hannover Stadt. You order films and then read them at
the center. There are so many churches in the city of Hannover. There is a
set of indexes to the churches there--several films. They are done by
surname. There are 138 films just for the index! You could look at the two
films that include the name Haupt. Of course, it is always possible that
your Karoline won't be listed there at all. People simply were not as
religious in 1900 than decades earlier.
If you need help as to how to find the films, let me know.
I have records on Karoline:
1. 1925--New York port entry; arriving on 29 Oct 1925; age given as 24; married, she gave her father's address as "Hannover, Garteneg 6"; father's name given as "Heinrich Haupt" ; she sailed to New York from Hamburg; destination in the US was given as Paterson, NJ
2. 1930--US census for Paterson, NJ, April 1930: name recorded as "Caroline" Thigpen; age given as 29; widowed; from Germany, parents from Germany.
3. 1930--New York Port entry; arrived 14 Dec 1930; age given as 30; widowed; gave her address as Paterson, NJ; sailed from Bremmen.
4. 1937--New York Port entry; arrived 20 May 1937; age given as 37; widowed; address given as 3771 Decatur Ave, NY, NY; had been issued a Passport, # 364118, from Washington DC.
Karoline is believed to have married William Dennette Thigpen. He was a crewmember on various freighter ships from 1920 - 1925. Port entry records available online indicate he was on 7 voyages aboard freight ships or oil tankers. The last record is for 20 March 1925. I have not found a record that William and Karoline were together in the same place. Stories of William having met and married a German girl have been in the family since the 1920's. He had very little contact with his natural family in Florida. He is believed to have been killed or died in an accident around 1925. There has not been a positive identification of this fact, however.
Gartenweg is the old name of a street, now called Franz-Nause-Strasse; its situated in Hannover-Limmer. My father, grandmother and greatgrandparents lived in Gartenweg 2 until all houses were bombed and burnt down.
I am getting closer! It appears that the 2 and the 6 at the end of "Gartenweg" are block numbers. Is this correct? Can you tell me anything about the nature of the communities on Gartenweg? From the postings of others on this forum, it seems the best way to locate the records of Heinrich Haupt and his daughter Karoline, is through the LDS records. I would need to know about the local churches in the area. If you (or anyone else reading this) can offer any advice, I would be grateful.
Allen,
I believe you will find that the numbers following the street name are
actually house numbers. German addresses normally have the house numbers
after the street name instead of before it as in American addresses.
This would suggest that Gartebweg 6 is only two doors removed from Gartenweg 2
on the even numbered side of the street. [however, I know that in small
farming towns the house numbers were originally assigned in the order in which
the houses were built. I don't know if that practice applied in large cities
like Hannover or when the system changed].
Don Roddy
Thank you very much for your detailed response regarding (Gartengeg 6), (Gatenweg 6). My interest is in Heinrich Haupt said to reside at Gartenweg 6 in 1925. At this point, I cannot rule out that there may have been alternate spellings of, or ways of referring to, this particular street in Hannover. Might I ask you for the source of this information, and if it is readily available for me to investigate?
... This would suggest that Gartebweg 6 is only two doors removed from
Gartenweg 2
on the even numbered side of the street. [however, I know that in small
farming towns the house numbers were originally assigned in the order in
which
the houses were built. I don't know if that practice applied in large
cities
like Hannover or when the system changed].
remember that, roughly eastward from Braunschweig, in Berlin and the
Eastern states another numbering system is widely used: Houses are
numbered first on one side from 1 to "n" (odd AND even numbers), then
continuing on the opposite side from "n+1" upwards back, so the house with
the highest number in the street is just opposite of house number 1.