Hi Gale,
Sorry you did not receive a reply sooner, I sent it to the Oldenburg website in error and did not realize it until this morning.
It would be good if I had more knowledge of Hannover but it escapes me. What is the difference in the two? Would it be of any assistance if I told you I believe it would be the Hannover near or relatively close to Löningen, Oldenburg?
Many of the Detmer men were tailors by profession.
Best Wishes,
Joyce
Hi Joyce:
I am sorry, I didn't make it clear. When one has been on the List for a long time it is easy to make assumptions that everyone is familiar with everything that has gone through the List.
Hannover is a good size city in Lower Saxony. The Kingdom of Hannover, is larger than a county, but not really the size of a small state in the U.S. The actual country of Germany did not exist until 1871. Therefore, anyone from that area was from Hannover, as in the Kingdom of Hannover.
Now you can say the same for Oldenburg. There is a city and an area known as Oldenburg.
Look at the following URL for a map of the German States.
http://sungenweb.net/m_hanovr.htm
Hannover and Oldenburg are a part of the area listed as "Lower Saxony". If you click on the map, you will get a more detailed map showing both Oldenburg and Hannover, along with their respective namesake cities. You will note that Oldenburg is written verticaly in the area surrounded by a yellow border. That is the area/region known as Oldenburg and you will find the city of Oldenburg in the middle of it, just west of Bremen. You will note that L�ningen is on the map and in the southwest part of the area in yellow outline representing Oldenburg. It would be about70 miles from the city of Oldenburg.
The area outlined in yellow at one time supported France. That is because those areas have a large number of Catholics. The red outlined areas are probably 99.9% Lutheran.
You will also note that the word Hannover is written across all of the areas/regions to indicate that they all are a part of Hannover. However, to complicate the matter more, from time to time, much of the area was part of Prussia.
http://www.rollintl.com/roll/prussia.htm
You will note that the pink is Hannover, and the little grey area in western Hannover is Oldenburg.
I believe (I have not confirmed) that in 1870 and earlier U.S.census, you will not find Germany mentioned. You will find Prussia or Pru�en.
Here is an URL that Jens M�ller-Koppe, a professional genealogist has. It will give you information on the parish in that area, along with the records which exist. The problem is how do you get them?
http://www.hist.de/KB-oldenburg.htm
Well, here is a start: Are you familar with the LDS/Mormons/Family History Centers? They have the following church records available.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp
Kirchenbuch, 1787-1875 Katholische Kirche Sankt Petrus Oldenburg (Oldenburg)
Kirchenbuch, 1868-1938 Evangelische Kirche. Milit�rgemeinde Oldenburg (Oldenburg)
A semester in one e-mail.
Any questions send me an e-mail.
Gale
H Joyce,
Löningen is indeed close to the border between Oldenburg and east of
what used to be Hannover. That is an area of Hannover where the people
were mostly Catholic. It is an area called Emsland, because it is close to
the Ems river. Some of the towns there would are Herzlake, Westrum,
Lastrup, Holte Herssum, Lahden, etc. If you do a mapquest.com search for
Löningen or any of the other towns, you will be in the right area.
Another town to the southwest of Loningen is Dohren and there are
people with the name Detmer listed on the LDS pages with a general search
for Detmer.
If you can't find a good map for Löningen, let me know and I can scan a
page from my very detailed autoatlas of Germany. I have people from the
Emsland as well.
You might look at this website:
http://www.ewetel.net/~stefan.remme/ The man has done a lot of research in
that area. There are many names listed there from Dohren, Herzlake. There
is a file for Auswanderer (emigrants) and you can download the file. I
can't open that since I have a MAC computer. Also, you could contact the
man himself. There is an email address given for him. Use English, unless
you know German. He probably can read English. There are a lot of
English-speaking Germans -- thank goodness.
See what happens!
Barbara
Hi Gale,
Thanks for the "History in a nutshell" lesson. I found out a few new
things.
Also thanks for the great links to historical maps.
Don Roddy
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