Cramer Heinrich

Hello Rod,

I think the town you are looking for in Hannover may be Veerse (post code) 27383, 4 km from the village of Scheeßel on a map. After checking the German phone book for a church address and the Internet webpage, the parish of Scheeßel seems to be the place to contact, the nearest sizeable town is Rotenburg, (Wümme).

According to the birth certificate of Mary Ann Katherine Cramer dated 10 August 1869 it clearly states that her father was Henry Cramer, occupation Labourer, aged 29 years, place of birth was Veerse, Hanover. Henry's wife was Margaret Mc Namara aged 25 years from Limerick. Is this the family you are researching? The hand writing on Henry's marriage certificate may have been difficult to read or the place of his birth may have been misspelt, have you any other documents? Have you checked to see if he was naturalized? If you send me a scan of his marriage certificate "offline" I can compare it with the image I have in my files.

If you are trying to locate records from the church in Germany, I suggest that you e-mail Pastor Wilke at <Ulrich.Wilke@web.de> at St Lucas Kirche Scheeßel, or e-mail him direct from his webpage at http://www.kirche-scheessel.de just click on his name at the bottom of the page. You can ask him if he has any Cramer's recorded in the Veerse registers, write in English and keep your inquiry very brief.

The LDS Mormons have also filmed some of the Scheeßel registers from 1715-1852, see films 1189539, 1189540 and 1189540.

Check the Family History Library Catalog at www.familysearch.org go to the right hand side of the screen you will see the words
• Search the Family History Library Catalog for records and resources Click on these words and then another menu appears, do a place search by typing in Scheessel or Scheeßel, in the top box, then Germany in the box below, the results will appear, just print these off and take them to your nearest Mormon Library and order the films.

I hope this helps,
Elizabeth
in Australia

You wrote:

Hello everybody, I will introduce myself and post my questions. I am Rod Smyth and I live in Melbourne Australia. My great great grandfather emigrated to Australia and got married in South Australia in 1867. His name was Heinrich CRAMER and on his marriage certificate listed his place of birth as "Veener, Hanover" His approximate date of birth was 1840. His fathers name was also Heinrich and his father was described as an innkeeper. This is as much as I know. Can anyone help at all, as it is proving to be very difficult to track this ancestor down. Thanks very much to you all, Rod.

Hello Elisabeth, hello Rod,
I don�t think that "Veener" is identical with Veerse (you could check with the expert on the Scheesel parish Jurgen Hoops (mailto info@hoops-archive.de)), but rather the town of Weener located in Ostfriesland (East Frisia) which became part of the Kingdom of Hannover in 1815 until 1866 when both were annected by Prussia.
I suggest you write to
Evangelische Kirchengemeinde
Norderstr. 44
D-26826 Weener

Good luck
Jurgen

In Weener you can find 26 Kramer addresses, one is a teacher:

  Johann H. Kramer O.Std.Rat
  Bürgermeister-Werner-Str. 49
  26826 Weener
  Germany

Maybe he can help! Good luck,
Werner Honkomp

Guten Abend,
Ich fand ein Bild das als Unterschrift " Erinnerung an unsere Dienstzeit - 5. Compangnie Hannoverschen F�silier- Regiments Nr 73, Ersatz 1878 "
Ist jemand daran interessiert oder kann dazu weitere Aussagen treffen?
Erika

Hallo,
wie kann es kommen, dass eine Nacricht, die ich u.a. an die Hannover -Liste am Sonntag um 8:23 gesendet habe bisher noch nicht erschienen ist?
Erika

Greetings from Australia

Hello Jürgen

Thank you for your advice and help. I have contacted Jürgen Hoops and he is unable to find Heinrich's birth in Veerse or Scheessel.

Rod needs to establish the correct name of the town his ancestor came from in Germany. I am a volunteer member of a German Interest Group here in Australia, our members are called upon to assist beginners with their problems locating records in Germany.

I had an inquiry from another researcher about the birth place of Heinrich Cramer/Kramer some time ago. This researcher gave me a copy of her ancestor's birth certificate. The father of the child was Heinrich Cramer and his place of birth is very clearly spelt VEERSE. I did not suggest to the list that VEENER was identical with Veerse. Thank you for the very useful information about the history of Weener.

I have now ordered Heinrich Cramer's naturalization certificate from South Australia to see if his birth place is given, however I suspect that these documents may just say Hanover.

I will be in contact with Rod off line and hope that between all of us we will be able to help Rod locate the correct place of birth for Heinrich Kramer.

Thank you once again for your kindness, I will suggest to Rob it may be good idea to write to Evangelische Kirchengemeinde and to Johann H Kramer in Weener. Hopefully he may be able to locate the church records he needs from Weener.

Please keep answering our questions, here in Australia we need all the help we can get, it is very difficult to know exactly which church to contact in these smaller villages.

Kindest regards,

Elizabeth Allum