Charles Loges

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Gale - You are right about Bremen. It was the ship, not where he was born. I have been staring at this little bit of info for so long, I couldn't see it anymore!

I have two letters from Charles to my Grandmother dated 1911. That is how I found him and his address in New Jersey. He was never spoken of in the family. It was like he never really existed. My grandmother never mentioned him and the rest of her family seemed unaware that he was in the United States.

The information I have on Charles was obtained from the LDS site. I found a marriage in New York to an Ida Kock. They moved to New Jersey and in the 1880 census they were listed as having 4 children.

Caroline 12, b. New York
Emily 10, b. New York
Anthony 8, b. New Jersey
Ida 1, b. New Jersey

Mother-in -law Emily (also listed as Amalia Balzer) Kock

I am assuming that the fact he left his family in Germany and came to the US and then remarried was probably a big scandal.

When Albert arrived in the US, his father Charles had two children with Ida.

Charles signed one letter "Your old grandfather, Carl Loges" and the other, "Your loving Grandpapa, Charles Loges". I am assuming his name was Charles.

I know nothing about his parents, just the information that was listed on the LDS site.

Albert was very ill in 1911 and Charles was sending my grandmother who was the oldest and 18 years old, $50 to help out. He said he would try and send $50 at a later date. Albert died a few days later and left 6 children with no mother or father. Albert's wife died when my grandmother was 11 yrs old.

In the last letter he said "We all feel very sorry here for you children and feel that you have a hard time." I realized "We" meant there were other people and began looking for a family and that is when I found Ida.

I have no idea where anyone was really born. Ida is listed as being born in Magdeburg Stadt, Sachsen on the LDS site. Charles is listed as Hannover, Preussen in the site. I thought I would take a wild stab in the dark and post to this list.

Thanks for the response,
Betty

Betty Depee
bldepee@earthlink.net
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Doopgetuige 24-7-1701 Kirchbrak: Hinrich Loges / doopgetuige 24-10-1761 Oesdorf: Hans Hinrich Loges / doopgetuige 8-11-1760 Oesdorf: Johann Henrich Loges / doopgetuige 6-1-1762 Kirchbrak: Hans Henrich Loges / doopgetuige 8-2-1770 Kirchbrak: Hans Henrich Loges / doopgetuige 21-8-1783 Kirchbrak: Christian Loges / doopgetuige 12-2-1794 Kirchbrak: David Loges / doopgetuige 24-11-1803 Aerzen: H.Loges / doopgetuigen 21-9-1818 Oesdorf: Arnd Loges en Wilhelm Loges / doopgetuige 29-9-1821 Oesdorf: Marie Loges / doopgetuige 29-6-1834 Thal: Arnd Loges / doopgetuige 23-9-1845 Thal: Caroline Loges.

1-10-1778 Oesdorf: huwelijk Anna Christine Loges met Frantz Henrich Ritterbusch.

Met vriendelijke groet,
W.A.Ridderbos vanuit Nederland.

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Stab in the dark aside, it seems to me you may be jumping ahead a bit too much and not concentrating enough on the US angle. Can't hurt to post Loges here (and elsewhere), in fact it can only be beneficial, but there's still a lot of territory to cover when you haven't pinpointed a town or city in Germany/Hannover.

I am assuming that the fact he left his family in Germany and came to the US and then remarried was probably a big scandal.

Strong possibility indeed, based on what you have presented. Wouldn't be the first time this ever happened though, rest assured.

Charles signed one letter "Your old grandfather, Carl Loges" and the other, "Your loving Grandpapa, Charles Loges". I am assuming his name was Charles.

His name was most likely Karl (Carl and Charles are normally anglicized variants).

I know nothing about his parents, just the information that was listed on the LDS site.

The LDS site is a fine starter, but there are so many other avenues to explore. At a minimum, since you have yet to discover the ancestral hub in Hannover/Prussia, concentrate on looking for any available records that might help provide this info on all the "key players". When skipping back nearly 100 years, males will be easier to document initially, since no name changes occur due to marriages.

For Charles (Karl), Albert (German son) and Anthony (US son), try to locate their death certificates, burial or cemetery records, probates, obituaries, etc.= that which spins mostly around their DEATHS. Then pan out from there. Most appear to have lived (and died?) in the NJ area, if I'm reading you right. Also exhaust all US census records that are available between 1880-1930 for these three individuals. Vital clues as to German antecedence are often found between death-associated records and census listings. Once that is accomplished, and if nothing pinpoints the German homebase still, you will need to expand your record searches further (marriage records, voter registers, naturalizations, wills, birth certs, etc., etc.). But I'd worry about those only when that time comes.

The exception of course is if you 'luck out' with stabs at Internet searches, or online lists like this one, or with immigrant passenger lists. That's always a throw of the dice, but can come up snake eyes with better odds than ever with the explosion of electronic database indexing and Internet accessibility. What I suggested above, though, remains the old bread and butter approach. Also go thru all early family memorabilia as might have survived, and remember to document collateral relations. interviewing any and all 'old-timers' left in the extended family for additional info always helps!

I have no idea where anyone was really born. Ida is listed as being born in Magdeburg Stadt, Sachsen on the LDS site. Charles is listed as Hannover, Preussen in the site. I thought I would take a wild stab in the dark and post to this list.

The city of Magdeburg is another possibility when it comes to Ida, since it is somewhat more exact. But this comes down to how much you are prepared to head off in that direction (different state in Germany), as opposed to concentrating on the Loges side. All depends on where your priorities are, and how much time you can afford to put into your research.

I apologize in advance if I have anything mixed up here (or if you have pursued many of these records already), as I believe I have the gist of your Loges background correct at a rather cursory glance.

Jb

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Hi Betty,

Could you please check the settings on your computer? Your message came today, but was dated 3/20/2005.

:slight_smile:
Mona

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Ah that's nothing. Some messages are still coming in from 1997! [hint hint u know who] :wink:

Jb